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kraigwy · November 20, 2012, 03:06 PM

No sir:

If there is documented evidence that the rifle is legal per CMP rules, the individual can use the gun.

The intent of the rules is not to prevent people from shooting, but to do so safely and within the spirit of the games.

Example: No glass bedding is allowed on the Garand Matches, upon inspection we find the rifle has in fact been glass bedded. Therefore it's not use.

This wasn't to keep the individual from shooting his Garand, its to make if fair to the other Garand shooter.

Several NM Garands are out there, and Garands chambered for the 308.

This wasn't a safety issue, but an issue just the same. So the CMP created a separate category, the Unlimited M1 Garand Rifles (Rule 6.4.1).

Also a lot of people showed up wanting to shoot AKs SKS, ARs, etc. A separate category was created for these rifles Modern Military Rifle (Rule 6.4.2)

Safety is a separate issue: The Chief Range Officer has the responsibility to make sure the matches are conducted in a safe manner, and has the authority to prohibit what he believes to be unsafe firearms and ammo.

Personally I have never barred a rifle for safety reasons, Ammo yes but not guns.

Ammo comes into play when we are dealing with re-loaded ammo that has not been sized properly. Not a problem for bolt guns but is a problem for gas guns. I carry case gages, and if I suspect ammo is not sized properly, I check it with the gage, if the ammo doesn't not fit the gage, that ammo is removed from the firing line. Again, ammo will be provided so that individual can shoot.

You guys are making it sound like my whole goal in live is ban people from shooting CMP Matches (I do the same thing in NRA High Power Matches).

That's not the case, I want to increase the participation in shooting sports, but I want it done safely. (As does the CMP and my Club's Insurance Provider).

nate45 · November 20, 2012, 04:04 PM

double post

nate45 · November 20, 2012, 04:06 PM

Triple post.

It was only double this AM. If I come back later and its quadruple...

nate45 · November 20, 2012, 04:07 PM

Kraig wouldn't look very good in the eyes of the CMP, if the receiver of a banned rifle failed on the line on his watch. Hard to blame him for erring on the side of caution. If it is indeed an error at all.

Slamfire · November 21, 2012, 09:41 AM

If the receiver is a late production receiver then it should be safe to shoot.

Just the alignment and odd depth of stamping makes the serial numbering look sloppy.

The oldest 03's had different lettering styles. Based on what others have posted, yours is consistant with an older lettering style.

Willie D · November 21, 2012, 11:21 AM

The OP's numbering is NOT consistant with the older lettering which has filigreed serifs on all numbers. That style was dropped sometime around the 300,000 range IIRC.

Looking at serial numbers online in the 500,000 range (which the OP's would be if it was faked) I'd almost go so far as to say the fonts are slightly different than the OP's and other examples in the 1,500,000s but I couldn't say for certain without seeing in person.

Slamfire · November 21, 2012, 04:16 PM

Quote:

The OP's numbering is NOT consistant with the older lettering which has filigreed serifs on all numbers. That style was dropped sometime around the 300,000 range IIRC.

I agree, I typed the statement wrong. It is consistant with the later styling.

kraigwy · November 21, 2012, 08:51 PM

Since this topic came up, I've been looking at a few Springfields and it looks like the OP's rifle is ligit (post 810,000).

But as mentioned, its hard to tell without examining the gun in person. Looks like its good to go per CMP Rules.

November 20, 2012, 03:06 PM	#26
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	No sir: If there is documented evidence that the rifle is legal per CMP rules, the individual can use the gun. The intent of the rules is not to prevent people from shooting, but to do so safely and within the spirit of the games. Example: No glass bedding is allowed on the Garand Matches, upon inspection we find the rifle has in fact been glass bedded. Therefore it's not use. This wasn't to keep the individual from shooting his Garand, its to make if fair to the other Garand shooter. Several NM Garands are out there, and Garands chambered for the 308. This wasn't a safety issue, but an issue just the same. So the CMP created a separate category, the Unlimited M1 Garand Rifles (Rule 6.4.1). Also a lot of people showed up wanting to shoot AKs SKS, ARs, etc. A separate category was created for these rifles Modern Military Rifle (Rule 6.4.2) Safety is a separate issue: The Chief Range Officer has the responsibility to make sure the matches are conducted in a safe manner, and has the authority to prohibit what he believes to be unsafe firearms and ammo. Personally I have never barred a rifle for safety reasons, Ammo yes but not guns. Ammo comes into play when we are dealing with re-loaded ammo that has not been sized properly. Not a problem for bolt guns but is a problem for gas guns. I carry case gages, and if I suspect ammo is not sized properly, I check it with the gage, if the ammo doesn't not fit the gage, that ammo is removed from the firing line. Again, ammo will be provided so that individual can shoot. You guys are making it sound like my whole goal in live is ban people from shooting CMP Matches (I do the same thing in NRA High Power Matches). That's not the case, I want to increase the participation in shooting sports, but I want it done safely. (As does the CMP and my Club's Insurance Provider). __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

November 20, 2012, 04:04 PM	#27
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	double post __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<) Last edited by nate45; November 21, 2012 at 11:24 AM.

November 20, 2012, 04:06 PM	#28
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	Triple post. It was only double this AM. If I come back later and its quadruple... __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<) Last edited by nate45; November 21, 2012 at 04:23 PM.

November 20, 2012, 04:07 PM	#29
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	Kraig wouldn't look very good in the eyes of the CMP, if the receiver of a banned rifle failed on the line on his watch. Hard to blame him for erring on the side of caution. If it is indeed an error at all. __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<)

November 21, 2012, 09:41 AM	#30
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 5,261	If the receiver is a late production receiver then it should be safe to shoot. Just the alignment and odd depth of stamping makes the serial numbering look sloppy. The oldest 03's had different lettering styles. Based on what others have posted, yours is consistant with an older lettering style. __________________ If I'm not shooting, I'm reloading.

November 21, 2012, 11:21 AM	#31
Willie D Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Posts: 1,149	The OP's numbering is NOT consistant with the older lettering which has filigreed serifs on all numbers. That style was dropped sometime around the 300,000 range IIRC. Looking at serial numbers online in the 500,000 range (which the OP's would be if it was faked) I'd almost go so far as to say the fonts are slightly different than the OP's and other examples in the 1,500,000s but I couldn't say for certain without seeing in person.

November 21, 2012, 08:51 PM	#33
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Since this topic came up, I've been looking at a few Springfields and it looks like the OP's rifle is ligit (post 810,000). But as mentioned, its hard to tell without examining the gun in person. Looks like its good to go per CMP Rules. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071