I have a Question

GlockedNLoded32 · January 12, 2012, 04:32 PM

Ok Let me try and clear this up I came across this frame that goes around the body of a glock and im wanting to know if this is considered to be a SBR if it is what do i have to do in order to get it??? sorry im new to the whole NFA Guns & Gear I love Military Wepons and Gear and im interested in buying this item just to have fun with

Willie Lowman · January 12, 2012, 09:13 PM

You have a question, but you don't have complete sentences or even whole words.

I think you made reference to a picture but there is no picture in your post.

I don't mean to be an ass but we can't help you if we can't understand.

Ridge_Runner_5 · January 12, 2012, 10:52 PM

If the barrel is less than 16" or the gun is less than 26" overall, and has a stock, it is an SBR and must be registered.

Willie Lowman · January 13, 2012, 11:05 AM

Yes. That is a SBR. You have to file a form 1 on the Glock to legally use it in that stock.

I have a friend that has that kind of setup on his Glock 17. It's goofy looking but it is pretty awesome to shoot.

Here is a great video that member Sturmgewehre made explaining how to do form 1s and form 4s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ONqI3_QOI

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what do i have to do in order to get it

Fill out a few forms, get finger printed, get photographed, get a signature from a CLEO, give $200 to the ATF, wait and wait and wait.

It seems like quite a process the first time you do it but it isn't that hard really.

dascottsman · January 13, 2012, 11:22 AM

dascottsman · January 13, 2012, 11:27 AM

Sounds like you will need to register this as a SBR as stated prior.

This unit looks neat from Sig, and it does not appear that the enhanced version with the bungy sling would not need to be registered, and would be an interesting kit for someone interested in a carbine style weapon.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK8gKaEGSQ0

GlockedNLoded32 · January 13, 2012, 11:34 AM

what happens if the CLEO doesnt Sign the Forms??? then what can i do inorder for me to have NFA Toys

alot of the CLEO's around my area wont sign it because most of them a just elected officials and all it is, is a bunch of political bs with them and aren't really big on law abiding citizens owning NFA firearms in their county, IE suppressors, SBR, SMG, full autos. My fiancee works for the Sherri's Dept and i asked her to talk the the Sheriff and what i said above is what he told her.

rjrivero · January 13, 2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockedNLoded32

what happens if the CLEO doesnt Sign the Forms???

You can form a trust. Then Fill out the form 1 in the name of the trust and you don't need a CLEO sign off. The SBR would then be engraved with the Trust name, City, ST instead of your Name, City, ST.

Still requires the $200 Tax, and the 5-6month wait for the stamp to come back.

GlockedNLoded32 · January 13, 2012, 11:58 AM

so everytime I want to buy a SBR, SMG, FUll Auto, I have to fill out the trust form? and pay for a $200 stamp and wait 5-6 months to get what i bought/ordered and have it engraved each time i want to buy someting?

Willie Lowman · January 13, 2012, 12:29 PM

Well, you have to have it engraved if you make a regular gun into a NFA firearm. If you buy one from someone else, you don't have to engrave it. (And you can't make machineguns. You can only buy the ones already in the registry)

Other than that... Yep. That's pretty much it.

The NFA game requires two things, money and patience.

GlockedNLoded32 · January 13, 2012, 12:42 PM

I dont have very good patience when it comes to something i buy lol and also say i wanted to buy a m4 5.56 with select fire or a H&K MP5 with select fire can I buy those with a trust and also do they have to have a Date of Manufacturing before 1986?

Willie Lowman · January 13, 2012, 03:08 PM

They have to have been made and registered before 1986.

M16s are going between $12000 and $20000 these days. Depending on condition and actual model. Colt M16A2 is the collector's prize and they are very expensive. You can get a AR 15 converted to full auto (that was registered before 86) for a lot less.

MP5s are all close to $20000

And you will be waiting 6 months to take your toy home.

http://www.dealernfa.com/Machine_Guns.htm

January 12, 2012, 09:13 PM	#2
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	You have a question, but you don't have complete sentences or even whole words. I think you made reference to a picture but there is no picture in your post. I don't mean to be an ass but we can't help you if we can't understand. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

January 13, 2012, 11:34 AM	#7
GlockedNLoded32 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2011 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 129	what happens if the CLEO doesnt Sign the Forms??? then what can i do inorder for me to have NFA Toys alot of the CLEO's around my area wont sign it because most of them a just elected officials and all it is, is a bunch of political bs with them and aren't really big on law abiding citizens owning NFA firearms in their county, IE suppressors, SBR, SMG, full autos. My fiancee works for the Sherri's Dept and i asked her to talk the the Sheriff and what i said above is what he told her. __________________ GLOCK 32 .357 SIG With Hogue Grip,Trijicon Ghost Ring Night Sight, 3.5 Ghost trigger, Weatherby Vanguard .308 1:12 twist with Blackhawk Bipod and a Barska 6x24x60 IR SWAT SCOPE. - 168 Hornady AMAX loaded at 46 gr Stoeger M2000 Max 4 SA 12 gauge

January 13, 2012, 11:58 AM	#9
GlockedNLoded32 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2011 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 129	so everytime I want to buy a SBR, SMG, FUll Auto, I have to fill out the trust form? and pay for a $200 stamp and wait 5-6 months to get what i bought/ordered and have it engraved each time i want to buy someting? __________________ GLOCK 32 .357 SIG With Hogue Grip,Trijicon Ghost Ring Night Sight, 3.5 Ghost trigger, Weatherby Vanguard .308 1:12 twist with Blackhawk Bipod and a Barska 6x24x60 IR SWAT SCOPE. - 168 Hornady AMAX loaded at 46 gr Stoeger M2000 Max 4 SA 12 gauge

January 13, 2012, 12:29 PM	#10
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Well, you have to have it engraved if you make a regular gun into a NFA firearm. If you buy one from someone else, you don't have to engrave it. (And you can't make machineguns. You can only buy the ones already in the registry) Other than that... Yep. That's pretty much it. The NFA game requires two things, money and patience. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

January 13, 2012, 12:42 PM	#11
GlockedNLoded32 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2011 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 129	I dont have very good patience when it comes to something i buy lol and also say i wanted to buy a m4 5.56 with select fire or a H&K MP5 with select fire can I buy those with a trust and also do they have to have a Date of Manufacturing before 1986? __________________ GLOCK 32 .357 SIG With Hogue Grip,Trijicon Ghost Ring Night Sight, 3.5 Ghost trigger, Weatherby Vanguard .308 1:12 twist with Blackhawk Bipod and a Barska 6x24x60 IR SWAT SCOPE. - 168 Hornady AMAX loaded at 46 gr Stoeger M2000 Max 4 SA 12 gauge

January 12, 2012, 10:52 PM	#3
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	If the barrel is less than 16" or the gun is less than 26" overall, and has a stock, it is an SBR and must be registered.

January 13, 2012, 11:22 AM	#5
dascottsman Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2011 Location: colorado-a-fornia Posts: 111

January 13, 2012, 11:27 AM	#6
dascottsman Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2011 Location: colorado-a-fornia Posts: 111	Sounds like you will need to register this as a SBR as stated prior. This unit looks neat from Sig, and it does not appear that the enhanced version with the bungy sling would not need to be registered, and would be an interesting kit for someone interested in a carbine style weapon..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK8gKaEGSQ0

January 13, 2012, 03:08 PM	#12
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	They have to have been made and registered before 1986. M16s are going between $12000 and $20000 these days. Depending on condition and actual model. Colt M16A2 is the collector's prize and they are very expensive. You can get a AR 15 converted to full auto (that was registered before 86) for a lot less. MP5s are all close to $20000 And you will be waiting 6 months to take your toy home. http://www.dealernfa.com/Machine_Guns.htm __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens