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October 15, 2011, 07:48 PM | #1 |
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What will out shoot a CZ 527,Tikka Varmint?
Looking for a .223 bolt action.
What will significantly outperform the CZ 527 Varmint and Tikka Varmint rifles? Sako? Weatherby Sub-MOA? Custom rifle? I appreciate any input, TYVM.
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October 15, 2011, 08:06 PM | #2 |
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What goal are you trying to accomplish?
Any of the above would be dandy shooters, provided the trigger puller does their part.
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October 15, 2011, 08:28 PM | #3 |
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Welllllll....judging by the name, how about the Tikka SUPER Varmint
OR ... how about the exact same rifles, but with top quality handloads More Seriously though -> For a better answer, you probably are going to have to define the parameters that you want to out preform...by what are you judging the rifles, and what abilities/qualities are you seeking in particular? I will make a few general statements though, based on my experience, taking varmint rifles from several manufacturers and putting them side by side you may have a hard time determining a huge difference between how any of the better offerings on the market shoot. ... though with any, I presume you could luck into (or out of) a particularly good or bad example. Though I've never fired one, I would presume that a $2500-$5000 custom rifle would be on an entirely different level; the kind that only a very very skilled shooter could find the limits of. Last edited by 300magman; October 15, 2011 at 08:41 PM. |
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October 16, 2011, 03:23 AM | #5 |
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I don't bench rest shoot, I mainly hunt. I own 4 Sako rifles & a CZ. I have also shot Tikka & Weatherby rifles in .22 centerfire.
Since I mainly own Sakos , I'm biased & Ill give them the edge, but even I wouldn't say there is a significant difference between these brands of rifle in accuracy - they are all good. |
October 16, 2011, 08:05 AM | #6 |
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The only goal/parameter I have is to minimize grouping size. Wanted to stick with a .223, although I already shoot .222. It would take some real arm twisting to slip me into a new caliber.
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October 16, 2011, 08:31 AM | #7 |
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You could consider finding a reputable smith with some experience in accurizing rifles; take him a rifle of your choice, and have him true the action, work the trigger, and install a custom barrel, along with a good bedding job on the stock.
That could get pretty expensive in a hurry, but it should be less than a custom rifle, especially if what you are starting with doesn't need All of the above work. |
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300Magman, how much of an accuracy gain would you expect with a bedded custom barrel over Tikka's factory setup on the T3 Sup Varmint? (rough ballpark)
Gain from action truing?
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October 16, 2011, 10:07 AM | #9 |
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Custom rifle? maybe.. GA Precision, out of Kansas City, Mo.
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October 16, 2011, 01:08 PM | #10 |
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Certain Savage rifles have a very good chance of shooting more accurate than those rifles. The 12 LRPV (said by many on the Savage board to be the best rifle Savage makes, the F/TR, F Class, etc. are all excellent shooters for what they do. If you want a hunting rifle you'll probably want a lighter rifle though. I've shot sub .5" groups at 100 yards with my 12 LRPV and I've shot many 2" groups at 440 yards with it. Then there's the fact that Savage stock rifles have been winning competitions against custom built rifles. That's a pretty good indication they are hard to beat as factory rifles.
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I am not the right man to ask, I have no experience with tikka's products and next to none with custom work. |
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Nah.
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Will there be any gain at all? Maybe....Maybe not. It depends. With what kind of ammo? What is the weather? Who is doing the shooting? What time of day? How quickly is the group being shot? Etc., etc., etc.
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October 17, 2011, 07:44 PM | #13 |
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Remington VS, honest 1/3 inch groups multiple times.
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October 18, 2011, 12:01 AM | #14 |
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Cooper. And much better customer service than either.
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I bought a CZ 527 Kevlar a few years back. It has the factory HS Precision stock. Really like that gun. Shoots fantastic groups. The single set trigger is easy to use and helps it shoot those groups. Hard to imagine anything really shooting that much better. I think I paid $600 for it about 6 years ago. It is a keeper. The Kevlar stock models have an aluminum bedding block in the stock and a free floated barrel.
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A few options in the accuracy department:
- TC Icon is one of the most accurate rifles on the market, check them out. - Howa 1500/Weatherby vanguard Sub-MOA (essentially the same rifle) are consistently accurate. - Tikka Varmint is a good choice. - CZ (I would probably opt for the 550 Varmint, but it's your choice). - Remington 700, any Remington 700. - Oh, yeah, and Savage. They shoot very well. Look like hammered ****, but they shoot very well.
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I appreciate the advice.
Cooper is certainly on the wish list. Ill check out the TC Icon and the CZ 550 Varmint as well. TYVM
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The big thing though is it's almost impossible to find a better shooting rifle than a Savage especially for the money you spend. It's no fluke that they take stock built rifles right off the rack and win competitions against CUSTOM built rifles costing 5 times as much or more. No other rifle company can make that claim. That is incredibly impressive IMO and it's the reason I bought a Savage 12 LRPV. And it certainly hasn't disappointed me at all. It shoots fantastic. It shoots way better than I do. It's almost easy to shoot 2" groups at a quarter of a mile and I never shot that much distance before I bought this rifle. There aren't many places to shoot that far around this area but I joined a club that has a range that far. They keep talking about getting a 600 yard range going but it still hasn't happened. Whatever the case my Savage will hang in with any stock rifle I've ever shot. |
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Do yourself a favour and at least checkout the Sako, IMHO the best factory production rifle on the market. The Trigger, Barrel, Stock, Fit and Finish can not be beaten (unless you go custom but even then it's close). The accuracy guarantee is also the best, while other gun manufacturers guarantee to be MOA or Sub MOA, their's is with premium match grade ammo with only 3 shots. The Sako is guaranteed to shoot 1" (Sub MOA) with any ammo (standard hunting ammo ect) with 5 shots (even their light weight sporter barrel rifles carry this guarantee). |
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October 19, 2011, 08:18 AM | #21 |
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+1 for the CZ 527.
I have a .223 Kevlar Varmint HS Precision stock version with a 1:9 twist and it shoots great. I love the set trigger for testing loads on the bench. It breaks at a very nice 1 lb 6 oz and the factory trigger is a crisp 3 lbs and perfect for the field. No need to even bother adjusting it. The first group out of the box was 0.238 with 52 grain SMKs. Since then I have tried 50, 52, 55, 60, 63 and 65 grain bullet loads and I have 20 hand loads with those weights that all have group averages under 0.45 inches with the best 25 groups from 0.116 to 0.213. I have shot 469 measured groups through the CZ and it shoots as good now as it did when I shot that first group. I have never had another rifle shoot so well across such a wide variety of bullet weights. |
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