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Old December 13, 2017, 09:15 PM   #51
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In the end it looks like a 220 sig
The SIG may well be a good choice. I've never heard of any issues out of them. I carried a P220 in 45 for years, now its a P227. I preferred the p220 but oh well. Sig makes a fine firearm.
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Old December 15, 2017, 11:18 AM   #52
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I just got an email from Springfield Armory, announcing their TRP Operator model is now available in 10mm.
The TRP has always been regarded as a production gun built to a very high standard.
It's available in both 5" and 6" versions, comes with adjustable sights and rail for lights or lasers.
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Old December 15, 2017, 02:39 PM   #53
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I just got an email from Springfield Armory, announcing their TRP Operator model is now available in 10mm.
The TRP has always been regarded as a production gun built to a very high standard. It's available in both 5" and 6" versions, comes with adjustable sights and rail for lights or lasers.
Yes, received one of those emails too.

The 5" 10mm model comes with fixed tritium sights, the rear being a "Tac-Rack" sight for single-handed manipulation.

The 6" adjustable sight model appears more designed for hunting or "precision" shooting at targets on the range. Yes, both have rails. Both come with two 8-rd mags, and both look like solid, well-made pistols.

Looking at the OTD price, and assuming I was in the market for a 5" railed 10mm, I'd still likely choose the Sig over the TRP since Sig gives you four 8-rd mags in the box with the gun ...

... Not to mention, there's still that lingering political stench on any S.A. product due to Denny Reese's groveling cave-in to Illinois' alt-left gun-controllers.

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Old December 15, 2017, 03:11 PM   #54
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Old December 15, 2017, 03:16 PM   #55
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The glock 40 certainly looks like a very good hunting/open carry pistol for 10mm. I would vote for it. If you want a little more safety you can stick on a gadget SCD which helps make holstering safer. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/g...control-device
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Old December 15, 2017, 06:23 PM   #56
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Have you forgiven Sauer for making guns for the Nazis?
Since I wasn't around back then to vote with my dollars or my feet, it's irrelevant. Get yourself focused chief, the politics of this ain't rocket science.

What Denny Reese does today matters because I can choose to spend my "10mm dollars" elsewhere, and it's not like there aren't a lot of 10mm 1911 choices on the current gun-market other than S.A.
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Old December 15, 2017, 07:40 PM   #57
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I still think the DW Razorback is the best 1911 10mm and I really enjoy mine. DW still makes the RZ-10 and they are still very good pistols. Mine has friends, a G20 and a 610, and soon, a 16" DI PCC.
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Old December 15, 2017, 07:51 PM   #58
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From a practical perspective, I don't think anyone has the Glock 40 beat for 10mm due to the advantages of a 6" barrel and 15+1 capacity and manageable recoil. For true function, this would have to be my choice.

For pure sex appeal, the stainless/rosewood Sig 220 is peerless, although it is limited to 8+1 and a 5" barrel.

I know that stout .45 ACP +P loads aren't much fun in a 1911 frame, so I have to assume full house 10mm wouldn't be much fun either. I have no doubt the offerings from Sig, Springfield, Ruger, and the Colt Delta Elite Gen 2 would get the job done, although you'll be taking more abuse. I'd like to see HK get into the 10mm game. My full size USP 45 is noticeably softer shooting than my 1911.
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Old December 15, 2017, 08:29 PM   #59
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I'll throw in my 2 cents. I've had 2 10mm's. First was a Kimber target II when they first came out. Big mistake never buy anything newly introduced. Major problem was their magazines which made the gun a total jammomatic. That's when I got an education on Kimbers truly crummy customer service ( sent it back 3 times). Own 2 Kimbers, will never own another. Solved all the problems with it by getting some Colt Delta magazines. Then it became a tack driver.
Second 10mm was a used Smith 1006. Great gun built like a tank but I could never get comfortable with the feel of it, just didn't fit my hand, in addition it was really hard on brass rendering them pretty much useless after one firing.
As a hand loader I've developed 2 loads 180gr. Extreme flat point on top of 6.0gr. of universal clays for 1050fps. Really nice target round.
For serious business I load 13.8gr. of AA#9 under a 180gr, XTP for 1250fps.
yields 1" groups at 25 yards bench rested if I'm up to doing my part, which seems to be less and less the older I get.

As a side note I prefer a .44mag or .45 Colt for walks in the woods where Blackies reside.
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Old December 15, 2017, 11:47 PM   #60
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Well, an hk usp40 or or usp45 *can* be converted to 10mm.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/michael-s...your-slot.html
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Old December 16, 2017, 01:32 PM   #61
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If I were get a 10mm auto, I'd get a Glock 20.
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Old December 16, 2017, 02:27 PM   #62
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I can sort of understand the argument against reduced loads in the ten. if you buy a ten, you probably bought it for full power, not a bunch of play time. If you wanted mid power loads, maybe another would have been a better choice.

In my way of thinking, unless that pistol is going to be a carry or combat gun and you intend to use it with full power loads, wasn't it sort of a pointless purchase, when there are many other alternatives?

Reduced loads in a ten are entirely sensible when you own one, because no matter what you shoot, you should become familiar with it and continue to keep using it. Target loads aren't the only thing that someone should shoot with it, it's important to practice with full power loads as well.

It's kind of a different question when discussing the .44 magnum or other magnums. You can't get a .44 special that has the features of a .44 magnum, and same goes for the .357. You can't buy a .38 that is built like some of the .357 magnums. buying the magnum revolvers is actually a smart choice. Buying a 10 mm handgun if one doesn't want the baggage of shooting only high power loads, well, a .40 can substitute for it. It just depends on whether you want to use full power sometimes and sub low power or reload the rest of the time.

But it doesn't matter what we think, anyway, the buyer is responsible for his own happiness and if it makes him happy to have a ten and shoot nothing but bunny fart loads in it, it's perfectly fine.
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Old December 16, 2017, 05:34 PM   #63
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I highly recommend the Glock Model 20.
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Old December 17, 2017, 11:26 AM   #64
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I saw the Witness Hunter mentioned, I think one would do well to look at the Witness Match III as well. Add the Henning cone fit guiderod for $40.00 and buy a spring set from Wolff and you're ready for whatever ammo you want to run. 10mm autos are great IMO.
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Old December 17, 2017, 11:31 AM   #65
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The 10mm is making a comeback?
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Old December 17, 2017, 01:27 PM   #66
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It makes sense with the explosive growth of the .40 sw. There will always be people who want to push just a but further. For example, the .357 Remington maximum.
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Old December 17, 2017, 05:41 PM   #67
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The 10mm is making a comeback?
Absolutely in 2017. Several major manus have been committing recently be developing new 10mm pistols, so it will be here for a while at least. I don't think of 10mm as necessary for CCW gun, personally. It is, however, a great option for longer range shooting, hunting, and as a woods companion or open carry zombie slayer.
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Old December 17, 2017, 08:27 PM   #68
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The round is pretty much equal to the .357 magnum and should be a decent short range deer handgun, or any other critter that is commonly hunted with a .357 revolver.

In a semiautomatic carbine it would be a good round. In a lever carbine it wouldn't be anything special, sort of a wasted effort since the .357 is already in that role.
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Old December 17, 2017, 09:27 PM   #69
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The best of the 10mm autos remains the S&W 10XX series if you can find one. I own a Glock 20, had a 1911, yet always come back to the 1006.
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Old December 18, 2017, 10:01 AM   #70
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The 10mm is making a comeback?
Most definitely. The .40S&W is fading, the 9mm is in first, and 10mm is having a resurgence.
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Old December 18, 2017, 06:19 PM   #71
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I just put one of these on layaway, after months and months of deliberation between which caliber for my woods gun, then between which pistol, I chose this Sig P220 Elite 10mm SAO
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