Remington Sportsman rollmark changes

DG45 · December 4, 2009, 02:16 AM

The first two hyperlinks below show two different guns both of which have been advertised on other websites as Remington Sportsman Models. Both are clearly the John Browning designed humpbacks and are very similar to the Remington Model 11's, but notice the difference in the rollmarks on the receivers, and the markings (or lack of markings on one of them) on the breech bolts of these two guns. Apparently, Remington changed the rollmarks on the Sportsman model somewhere along the way. Anyone know when? It looks like the gun with the unmarked breech bolt is the newest gun.

The third and last rollmark shown below is not of a Remington Sportsman, but is of a Remington Model 11 and is shown only for comparison purposes. Notice that it looks like the gun whose bolt is marked SPORTSMAN had a very similar or identical rollmark to this Model 11, but it has been partially obscured through years of useage or by refinishing. I'm a Remington Model 11 /Remington Sportsman fan, and any thoughts or comments you can share on the differences or changes in these guns would be appreciated.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/976938722...TSMAN_12GA.htm

http://www.gunsinternational.com/pop...5E6772F0EBBCFC

http://www.coolgunsite.com/images/sh...2/P1011612.JPG

Doyle · December 4, 2009, 08:13 AM

Remington has used the "Sportsman" name many times on many different models. It does not denote a particular model but rather it is a way to say that this is a "plane jane" version of that gun - made to be sold at a lower price.

Winchester did the exact same thing using the "Ranger" label.

Lee Lapin · December 4, 2009, 01:55 PM

The Model 11 variation known as the Sportsman was limited to 3 shots from the factory, thus the name. The early Model 11s, with extended magazine tubes added, were a favorite with market hunters once upon a time.

http://www.remington.com/library/his.../sportsman.asp

lpl

zippy13 · December 4, 2009, 02:24 PM

Based on Lee's info, with a range of 1930 to 1947, we may assume that the Sportsman production was interrupted by WW II. It's not inconceivable that pre- and post-war models and their markings might differ.

December 4, 2009, 02:16 AM	#1
DG45 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Posts: 904	Remington Sportsman rollmark changes The first two hyperlinks below show two different guns both of which have been advertised on other websites as Remington Sportsman Models. Both are clearly the John Browning designed humpbacks and are very similar to the Remington Model 11's, but notice the difference in the rollmarks on the receivers, and the markings (or lack of markings on one of them) on the breech bolts of these two guns. Apparently, Remington changed the rollmarks on the Sportsman model somewhere along the way. Anyone know when? It looks like the gun with the unmarked breech bolt is the newest gun. The third and last rollmark shown below is not of a Remington Sportsman, but is of a Remington Model 11 and is shown only for comparison purposes. Notice that it looks like the gun whose bolt is marked SPORTSMAN had a very similar or identical rollmark to this Model 11, but it has been partially obscured through years of useage or by refinishing. I'm a Remington Model 11 /Remington Sportsman fan, and any thoughts or comments you can share on the differences or changes in these guns would be appreciated. http://www.gunsamerica.com/976938722...TSMAN_12GA.htm http://www.gunsinternational.com/pop...5E6772F0EBBCFC http://www.coolgunsite.com/images/sh...2/P1011612.JPG

December 4, 2009, 01:55 PM	#3
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,239	The Model 11 variation known as the Sportsman was limited to 3 shots from the factory, thus the name. The early Model 11s, with extended magazine tubes added, were a favorite with market hunters once upon a time. http://www.remington.com/library/his.../sportsman.asp lpl __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order! Attitude and skill will get you through times of no gear, better than gear will get you through times of no attitude and no skill.

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December 4, 2009, 08:13 AM	#2
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	Remington has used the "Sportsman" name many times on many different models. It does not denote a particular model but rather it is a way to say that this is a "plane jane" version of that gun - made to be sold at a lower price. Winchester did the exact same thing using the "Ranger" label.

December 4, 2009, 02:24 PM	#4
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Based on Lee's info, with a range of 1930 to 1947, we may assume that the Sportsman production was interrupted by WW II. It's not inconceivable that pre- and post-war models and their markings might differ.