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August 18, 2002, 08:09 AM | #26 | |||
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"The lack of a serial number as described in section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, shall be a presumption that the large capacity ammunition feeding device is not subject to the prohibition of possession in paragraph (1).'" This, of course, does not deal with the importation of such magazines - I'm sure it is illegal to knowingly import unmarked mags manufacturered post 9/94. But ownership and sales once incountry seem to be protected. Furthermore, if a mag is completely unmarked (as in not even with HK's super secret date coding system), and preban, unmarked mags were produced prior to the ban, how exactly does one tell the difference? Quote:
Perhaps it is your intent to keep people from getting ripped off, but in your (or one of your employee's) original HKPRO postings, it really did not come off that way. It certainly isn't HK's intent, or they would simply release the details of their date coding system (for those magazines that are not LEO marked, but coded) so people can easily make the determination themselves whether or not a mag is legal. Quote:
Oh yeah, regarding what appeared to be a somewhat vieled threat of a libel suit against me (unless I am to interpret a private message with the subject of "libel" asking me if my ISP is such as such), libel would require that I made a false statement. Since I was simply relaying information posted by a user of the name "CSA" on HKPRO that claimed to represent your company, I don't think anything libelous was said. Rocko |
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August 18, 2002, 09:34 AM | #27 | ||
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You can go ahead and spin it any way you want, but you're a snitch, a rat, and no friend to gun owners in my opinion. You'll never see a penny from me. And I will not be shy about expressing my opinion about your actions to others, whether in person or in cyberspace. Threats about libel lawsuits will only encourage me. Others, naturally, are entitled to their own views. |
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August 19, 2002, 12:39 AM | #28 |
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Looks like Sturmgewehr may ban CSA
They are really stiring it up over there.
Check out this thread..... http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/ge...cgi?read=15818 |
August 19, 2002, 10:44 AM | #29 | |
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My favorite CSA quote from strumgewehr was this:
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I had never heard of CSA before this, but now I assure I never will buy from them, and I will tell everyone I know not to. |
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August 19, 2002, 03:34 PM | #30 |
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Curious - I've seen several posts on Subguns..but they are quickly deleted...
Several folks have posted about this on the Bower's boards, in the BOI, in the Moderated Discussion Board and in the Non-NFA Discussion.
Looks like someone on Subguns is looking out for Cal's and deleting any threads that reference what they did immediately. |
August 21, 2002, 12:59 AM | #31 |
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CSA Bannished From Sturmgewehr.com
Hey Rocko,
Thanks for all the good work you put in. At least one site has had enough of CSA. HKPro also posted there emphatically distancing themselves from CSA. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/ge...cgi?read=16014 |
August 26, 2002, 10:44 PM | #32 |
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I just read all the replies to this issue. It seems irrefutable that HK high cap mags were manufacture prior to the cutoff date. It also seems likely that HK-USA doesn't have any of these pre-ban high cap mags. To assume a mag is illegal because the price is good and it is unmarked is ludicrous. If you assume these unmarked mags are illegal than you may as well assume all unmarked high-cap mags are illegal. ( That defective logic in and of itself would have probably landed you a job in the Janet Reno/ Clinton justice system.) If you decide you don't want to buy any of these mags, that certainly is your prerogative, and is fine. If you call the ATF because you think it simply is too good to be true and because HK-USA says it's so, then IMO you are like so many other sheep being walked to slaughter. It seems to me one company ( Cals) who could not compete resorted to underhanded tactics to try and compete. I certainly won't buy anything from them.
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September 4, 2002, 04:56 PM | #33 |
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The following link is to a story that is NOT true. It's long but, just read the last paragraph before you start reading the whole thing. It makes me sick and seems very appropriate to this discussion . . .
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/guns/sundown.htm I can also say that I have bought full size magazines from Robert, and would do so again in a heartbeat. He is a true American businessman and I am happy to support him. Heck, we should all buy something from him just to make a statement. Joe Mamma (No, I am not Robert nor do I work for him or . . . ) |
September 25, 2002, 12:43 PM | #34 |
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First I would like to thank Rocko for arguing my side of the case since I had no idea about this thread until now. Second I would like to thank Dave for bringing this string to my attention.
Second any person who says anything I sell is illegal is 100% full of crap. And yes that includes Cal Sporting goods and the idiots that run it. CSA can report me for anything they want; the ATF never has and never will have a problem with me. I do nothing illegal and I have never imported high capacity magazines (preban or postban) or any other vital component into the USA. Regarding mags (which are about 1% of my business) I have bought magazines in the USA via private sellers, gun shops, gun manufacturers, distributors, surplus importers, firearm importers and gun shows. Around the nation I have a crystal clear reputation and I am well known for being able to buy large amounts of product, but only if the price is cheap. My reputation is above reproach, especially when compared to a maggot like CSA. CSA is after only one thing, Money. I'm not the first person he has had a problem with and I won’t be the last. Anybody that undercuts him or other HK Ink (HK USA) dealers is a criminal as far as he is concerned. CSA believes I don’t have the right to import or sell HK91 parts or any other HK product. Well CSA can go to hell and if the ATF wants to listen to his BS, fine let them. They can check every sale and manifest I have. I just hope they send their investigation bill to CSA when they are done. Robert Johnson 623-362-3459 |
September 30, 2002, 11:47 AM | #35 |
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Robert,
You have e-mail on the Earthlink address listed here. |
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