Need Help Identifying Rifle

jmar · March 2, 2016, 07:59 AM

Hello everyone i'm new here, i was recently at the buffalo bill museum in Cody WY and i took a lot of pictures of guns i thought were interesting. This particular gun was my favorite rifle. I also took pictures of their names but i accidentally took a picture of somethings next to its description instead. So can any of you help me out? I'd love to buy a rifle like this. Thanks!

GeorgeStrickland · March 2, 2016, 08:10 AM

Three possibilities all are related
1 Dutch trade musket
2 Hudson Valley Fowler
3 Boucanier Gun

T. O'Heir · March 2, 2016, 02:36 PM

Pictures are too big and I don't think that is as rifle. I think it's a shotgun with missing lock parts. George's Hudson Valley Fowler is a shotgun.
Got any smaller pictures of the whole thing?

gyvel · March 2, 2016, 03:32 PM

Well, it was a flintlock at one time, but the cock and frizzen are gone.

jmar · March 2, 2016, 09:50 PM

Thanks for the replies guys! No more pictures unfortunately, if it is one of those rifles then i'm guessing the stock is a custom one. So does anybody have recommendations on a rifle to start with? I could just carve my stock to look similar as that's what catches my eye.

Id like a percussion cap gun with as thick of a barrel as possible, those classic heavy target rifles have always fascinated me. There's to many reproductions to search through i'm sure some of you guys have experience with a lot of these! Thanks

Jim Watson · March 2, 2016, 10:14 PM

Looks like any other neglected Kentucky type rifle, octagon barrel, flintlock with cock and frizzed lost off, rust.
Except for the huge groove rather neatly routed out of the stock. And the red paint job.
I have no idea.

Jmar ,
For large diameter barrels, search on "muzzleloading benchrest rifle" and "chunk gun".

James K · March 3, 2016, 07:27 PM

I can't figure out the stock. It looks like it was made deliberately with that sort of "spike" pointing forward, but I have a hard time trying to envision the purpose of such a thing. Could it have been made for someone who was handicapped in some way?

Jim

Hawg · March 3, 2016, 07:31 PM

Maybe if you dropped your haversack out of a canoe you could use it to fish it back out.

Jim Watson · March 12, 2016, 05:51 PM

FOUND IT!

I still don't know what the strange flute in the stock is for, but I found one advertised for sale... in the 1911 Alfa catalog, as the "Boucanier" with "special stock shape" and "vermillion finish."

So, is this some sort of late colonial trade gun or is it what the Boucanier was copied from?

March 2, 2016, 07:59 AM	#1
jmar Member Join Date: February 27, 2016 Posts: 49	Need Help Identifying Rifle Hello everyone i'm new here, i was recently at the buffalo bill museum in Cody WY and i took a lot of pictures of guns i thought were interesting. This particular gun was my favorite rifle. I also took pictures of their names but i accidentally took a picture of somethings next to its description instead. So can any of you help me out? I'd love to buy a rifle like this. Thanks!

March 2, 2016, 08:10 AM	#2
GeorgeStrickland Member Join Date: September 27, 2009 Posts: 20	ID Three possibilities all are related 1 Dutch trade musket 2 Hudson Valley Fowler 3 Boucanier Gun

March 2, 2016, 02:36 PM	#3
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Pictures are too big and I don't think that is as rifle. I think it's a shotgun with missing lock parts. George's Hudson Valley Fowler is a shotgun. Got any smaller pictures of the whole thing? __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

March 2, 2016, 03:32 PM	#4
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Well, it was a flintlock at one time, but the cock and frizzen are gone. __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE

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March 2, 2016, 09:50 PM	#5
jmar Member Join Date: February 27, 2016 Posts: 49	Thanks for the replies guys! No more pictures unfortunately, if it is one of those rifles then i'm guessing the stock is a custom one. So does anybody have recommendations on a rifle to start with? I could just carve my stock to look similar as that's what catches my eye. Id like a percussion cap gun with as thick of a barrel as possible, those classic heavy target rifles have always fascinated me. There's to many reproductions to search through i'm sure some of you guys have experience with a lot of these! Thanks

March 2, 2016, 10:14 PM	#6
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,528	Looks like any other neglected Kentucky type rifle, octagon barrel, flintlock with cock and frizzed lost off, rust. Except for the huge groove rather neatly routed out of the stock. And the red paint job. I have no idea. Jmar , For large diameter barrels, search on "muzzleloading benchrest rifle" and "chunk gun".

March 3, 2016, 07:27 PM	#7
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I can't figure out the stock. It looks like it was made deliberately with that sort of "spike" pointing forward, but I have a hard time trying to envision the purpose of such a thing. Could it have been made for someone who was handicapped in some way? Jim

March 3, 2016, 07:31 PM	#8
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Maybe if you dropped your haversack out of a canoe you could use it to fish it back out.

March 12, 2016, 05:51 PM	#9
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,528	FOUND IT! I still don't know what the strange flute in the stock is for, but I found one advertised for sale... in the 1911 Alfa catalog, as the "Boucanier" with "special stock shape" and "vermillion finish." So, is this some sort of late colonial trade gun or is it what the Boucanier was copied from?