Indian Army uses this, which is????

Bart Noir · November 10, 2000, 07:17 PM

Looking at close-up photo of Indian soldier,(Janes Defense Weekly, 27 Sept 2000) using a rifle that is a cross between AK-47 and FN FAL (yeah, also called L1A1 & SLR). AK receiver without right side selector/safety lever. Rear sight at rear of receiver cover. FAL-type fold down handle. Built-in grenade launcher. Clear plastic, slightly curved 20 round magazine, holding what may be 7.62x51mm rounds. No operating handle on right side. Anybody know the history and name of this rifle?
Bart Noir
"Walk softly and carry a big stick, one that goes bang in .308 is fine"

Badger Arms · November 10, 2000, 08:14 PM

Sounds a bit like a Galil. Could also be a Valmet which served as the basis for the Galil if memory serves. Made in Israel.

Badger Arms · November 10, 2000, 08:22 PM

Hehe, or could it be... THIS!

Look at this link: http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka220.html

Daniel Watters · November 12, 2000, 10:10 AM

It is the INSAS (INdian Small Arms System). Ishapore has been working on it since the mid-'80s, but there have been major delays in the program. The INSAS is chambered in 5.56x45mm; however, there is a slight variation from the NATO standard. As you've guessed, it is a mix of FN FAL and AKM features with a pinch of HK thrown in. Strangely, the buttplate is supposedly the same as used on the Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mark III.

Bart Noir · November 17, 2000, 08:37 PM

Yup, you guys pegged it. That's the bullet launcher that I saw in the photo, and now I know much more about it. Now I need to look it up in Janes. Thanks.
Bart
"Beer has food value, but food has no beer value."

November 10, 2000, 07:17 PM	#1
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	Looking at close-up photo of Indian soldier,(Janes Defense Weekly, 27 Sept 2000) using a rifle that is a cross between AK-47 and FN FAL (yeah, also called L1A1 & SLR). AK receiver without right side selector/safety lever. Rear sight at rear of receiver cover. FAL-type fold down handle. Built-in grenade launcher. Clear plastic, slightly curved 20 round magazine, holding what may be 7.62x51mm rounds. No operating handle on right side. Anybody know the history and name of this rifle? Bart Noir "Walk softly and carry a big stick, one that goes bang in .308 is fine"

November 10, 2000, 08:14 PM	#2
Badger Arms Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2000 Location: Harnett County, NC Posts: 1,700	Sounds a bit like a Galil. Could also be a Valmet which served as the basis for the Galil if memory serves. Made in Israel.

November 10, 2000, 08:22 PM	#3
Badger Arms Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2000 Location: Harnett County, NC Posts: 1,700	Hehe, or could it be... THIS! Look at this link: http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka220.html

November 12, 2000, 10:10 AM	#4
Daniel Watters Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 644	It is the INSAS (INdian Small Arms System). Ishapore has been working on it since the mid-'80s, but there have been major delays in the program. The INSAS is chambered in 5.56x45mm; however, there is a slight variation from the NATO standard. As you've guessed, it is a mix of FN FAL and AKM features with a pinch of HK thrown in. Strangely, the buttplate is supposedly the same as used on the Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mark III.

November 17, 2000, 08:37 PM	#5
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	Yup, you guys pegged it. That's the bullet launcher that I saw in the photo, and now I know much more about it. Now I need to look it up in Janes. Thanks. Bart "Beer has food value, but food has no beer value."