JP Sauer and Sohn 1930 Behorden? - Page 2

mapsjanhere · December 9, 2009, 08:31 AM

That would be an irreversible change to the gun, hurting it's collector value. It's easy to do to make it shoot, but a stickler will notice and consider it bubba'd.

sauerfan · December 12, 2009, 05:53 AM

Hi Billy,

I totally agree with "mapsjanhere": better to amend the firing pin. Changes in the original breech block isn't a good idea for my opinion.

Regards

Martin

SE Bill · December 13, 2009, 08:49 PM

Ok thanks guys. My coworker friend now has the gun and says it will fire when he gives it back to me. Last I talked to him, he brought down the tip of the pin to fit the hole. Next will be cutting the slot. Then a cleaning and lubing, And THEN... hopefully a bang! Couldn't have gotten close to this far without your help Martin!

Jeremijas · April 24, 2010, 10:17 AM

Hello,
I have got the Sauer 1913 model with number 132xxx. It was founded in Preussen territory (Memelland) and this gun is in very bad shape, it does not work. There is regular signs "Crown/N" , J.P. SAUER & SON, SUHL, PATENT - thats all. I'm interesting - what the year it can be made?

But I'v got the inspiration to buy the Sauer like this one and found similar one in Germany witch number 62xxx - what the year it can be made to?

Thanks

sauerfan · April 24, 2010, 11:07 PM

Hi Jeremias,

it isn't easy to date a Sauer 1913, as there are no records at the Suhl Archive ragarding production figures/years. Based on observations, I'd date a 132xxx SN with app. 1922 to 1924.

A SN 62xxx was made during WWI and will have been made in 1916/17.

Regards

Martin

Avenger · April 25, 2010, 01:22 PM

Sauerfan, I spoke with Dad a few months back, man was I ever messed up on the serial number and production date! It's actually 159xxx, probably 1925 to 1926. At any rate, here's a couple pics:

sauerfan · April 25, 2010, 11:39 PM

Hi Avenger,

yes, a SN 159xxx will have been made in 1925/26. BTW: one of the very last 1913s made, as the model 1926 started at 160xxx (with an overlap - some 1926s have SNs in the 159xxx range, while some 1913s have SNs higher than 160xxx).

Regards

Martin

rufous03 · September 26, 2010, 02:41 AM

I have what appears to be the Mdl 30, no slide lock in the trigger guard, it is on the left side of the frame and locks into the slide when it is pulled back also doubles as a safety. the serial number is stamped on the right rear 199XXX Crown with and "N"under it on the end cap. The firing pin has been replaced and did not work, hanging up on the cartridge in the magazine after the first shot. Looking at it I found that whoever made the firing pin made it too short, so now I am looking for a proper firing pin. No Slots in the pin. a new trigger spring woul be nice as well as the original has a couple of coils broken. Other than that it is in excellent shape. Can anyone here point me in the right direction for the parts and perhaps give me a little background on the item. My father took it off a German Office in WWII, but there are no German markings on it. Any help appreciated.

Foxx4086 · March 7, 2012, 07:45 PM

i just replaced a 1913 sauer i sold 20 years ago. it is mostly complete and despite looking rough, seems to in ok shape
the only missing items is grips and firing pin, (it has one but it was ground down)

#126XXX

any help in parts or year of manufacturer would be great.

i plan on getting it re-blued...sometime.

Kevinofborg · June 10, 2013, 06:08 PM

Thanks Martin.

Your pictures helped me ID my pistol as a Sauer & Sohn Model 1930 and not the Borhorden. My is S/N 195XXX. Any idea when it was made? Are there any production totals of the 1930 vs. the 1930 BM? It looks to be complete but may have had some work in the the front sight is not the round 1/2 moon but a very small shark fin. The Mag is also not marked and looks to have been made by cutting a longer one down. If it was not for this tread I would not have figured it out.

Thanks
Kevin

Kevinofborg · June 17, 2013, 09:16 PM

The Photos...

archiesdad · September 2, 2013, 06:34 PM

I am looking to purchase a Behorden model. If anyone can give me a lead, I wold be most appreciative.

muddin406 · July 5, 2015, 08:05 PM

http://www.armslist.com/posts/448759...behordenmodell

jsm17 · September 2, 2024, 04:29 PM

Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. I am pretty certain that what I have is a Behördenmodell with a relatively low serial number. Curious as to where these lower serial number guns were distributed. I inherited a garage full of tools and in one of the lock boxes was the gun with holster and 1 magazine. The serial number on it is 200175. It is in good shape and I can gladly post pictures.

December 9, 2009, 08:31 AM	#26
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	That would be an irreversible change to the gun, hurting it's collector value. It's easy to do to make it shoot, but a stickler will notice and consider it bubba'd. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

September 26, 2010, 02:41 AM	#33
rufous03 Junior Member Join Date: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1	JP Sauer & Sohn 7.65 I have what appears to be the Mdl 30, no slide lock in the trigger guard, it is on the left side of the frame and locks into the slide when it is pulled back also doubles as a safety. the serial number is stamped on the right rear 199XXX Crown with and "N"under it on the end cap. The firing pin has been replaced and did not work, hanging up on the cartridge in the magazine after the first shot. Looking at it I found that whoever made the firing pin made it too short, so now I am looking for a proper firing pin. No Slots in the pin. a new trigger spring woul be nice as well as the original has a couple of coils broken. Other than that it is in excellent shape. Can anyone here point me in the right direction for the parts and perhaps give me a little background on the item. My father took it off a German Office in WWII, but there are no German markings on it. Any help appreciated.

June 10, 2013, 06:08 PM	#35
Kevinofborg Junior Member Join Date: June 9, 2013 Posts: 2	Sauer Model 1930 Thanks Martin. Your pictures helped me ID my pistol as a Sauer & Sohn Model 1930 and not the Borhorden. My is S/N 195XXX. Any idea when it was made? Are there any production totals of the 1930 vs. the 1930 BM? It looks to be complete but may have had some work in the the front sight is not the round 1/2 moon but a very small shark fin. The Mag is also not marked and looks to have been made by cutting a longer one down. If it was not for this tread I would not have figured it out. Thanks Kevin

September 2, 2013, 06:34 PM	#37
archiesdad Junior Member Join Date: July 28, 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2	Behorden I am looking to purchase a Behorden model. If anyone can give me a lead, I wold be most appreciative.

July 5, 2015, 08:05 PM	#38
muddin406 Junior Member Join Date: July 3, 2015 Posts: 1	behorden http://www.armslist.com/posts/448759...behordenmodell

December 12, 2009, 05:53 AM	#27
sauerfan Member Join Date: October 10, 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 51	Hi Billy, I totally agree with "mapsjanhere": better to amend the firing pin. Changes in the original breech block isn't a good idea for my opinion. Regards Martin

December 13, 2009, 08:49 PM	#28
SE Bill Junior Member Join Date: November 12, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 12	Ok thanks guys. My coworker friend now has the gun and says it will fire when he gives it back to me. Last I talked to him, he brought down the tip of the pin to fit the hole. Next will be cutting the slot. Then a cleaning and lubing, And THEN... hopefully a bang! Couldn't have gotten close to this far without your help Martin!

April 24, 2010, 10:17 AM	#29
Jeremijas Junior Member Join Date: April 24, 2010 Posts: 1	Hello, I have got the Sauer 1913 model with number 132xxx. It was founded in Preussen territory (Memelland) and this gun is in very bad shape, it does not work. There is regular signs "Crown/N" , J.P. SAUER & SON, SUHL, PATENT - thats all. I'm interesting - what the year it can be made? But I'v got the inspiration to buy the Sauer like this one and found similar one in Germany witch number 62xxx - what the year it can be made to? Thanks

April 24, 2010, 11:07 PM	#30
sauerfan Member Join Date: October 10, 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 51	Hi Jeremias, it isn't easy to date a Sauer 1913, as there are no records at the Suhl Archive ragarding production figures/years. Based on observations, I'd date a 132xxx SN with app. 1922 to 1924. A SN 62xxx was made during WWI and will have been made in 1916/17. Regards Martin

April 25, 2010, 01:22 PM	#31
Avenger Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Posts: 274	Sauerfan, I spoke with Dad a few months back, man was I ever messed up on the serial number and production date! It's actually 159xxx, probably 1925 to 1926. At any rate, here's a couple pics:

April 25, 2010, 11:39 PM	#32
sauerfan Member Join Date: October 10, 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 51	Hi Avenger, yes, a SN 159xxx will have been made in 1925/26. BTW: one of the very last 1913s made, as the model 1926 started at 160xxx (with an overlap - some 1926s have SNs in the 159xxx range, while some 1913s have SNs higher than 160xxx). Regards Martin

March 7, 2012, 07:45 PM	#34
Foxx4086 Junior Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Location: Columbia SC Posts: 1	i just replaced a 1913 sauer i sold 20 years ago. it is mostly complete and despite looking rough, seems to in ok shape the only missing items is grips and firing pin, (it has one but it was ground down) #126XXX any help in parts or year of manufacturer would be great. i plan on getting it re-blued...sometime.

September 2, 2024, 04:29 PM	#39
jsm17 Junior Member Join Date: September 1, 2024 Posts: 1	Low serial Behördenmodell? Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. I am pretty certain that what I have is a Behördenmodell with a relatively low serial number. Curious as to where these lower serial number guns were distributed. I inherited a garage full of tools and in one of the lock boxes was the gun with holster and 1 magazine. The serial number on it is 200175. It is in good shape and I can gladly post pictures.

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