Gothic Themed Handguns

samsmix · June 10, 2012, 08:09 PM

I know a very Abby-esqe woman who would like a range and BBQ gun in the Victorian Gothic style. She is an avid hunter & shooter, but this one needs to serve no purpose other than style. Caliber can run from .22lr (Ideal) to .44mag, and any style. She CANNOT aford to shoot or collect anything as costly as an old Gasser, but a Gothed-out Nagant or 4" Webley would be okay. Autos are certainly okay as well. A chromed & engraved Astra or Star? Open to any options.

10-96 · June 10, 2012, 08:21 PM

I don't know how one goths anyhting out, but if I catch your drift- a 1911 with a set of these: http://www.1911gungrip.com/Pewter-19...B0032TXW5G.htm

Later on, she can have engraving done a bit at a time as money will allow.

swopjan · June 10, 2012, 08:34 PM

NAA does the Black Widow which is a little revolver in 22LR/22 Mag, might be able to find one that's blued or cerakoted black.

if she's looking for something specific to the time period, perhaps a tricked-out flintlock?

kcub · June 11, 2012, 04:47 AM

http://northamericanarms.com/ltd08

Or the Viuda Negra

Webleymkv · June 11, 2012, 07:58 AM

If you want a victorian looking revolver, your most affordable options will likely be either a Nagant M1895 or Webley Mk. IV .38. Other European military revolvers to keep an eye out for include other models of Nagant (Russia wasn't the only nation to use them), an Italian Bodeo, or a French Chamelot-Delvigne M1873 or Lebel M1892.

In a semi-auto, you're going to have a somewhat more difficult time finding something truly victorian, but you might at least be able to get the look you're searching for. While not cheap, a C-96 Mauser "Broomhandle", P-08 Luger, or Lahti L-35 might give you the look you seek. Other guns for consideration that may be a bit more reasonable include a TT-33 Tokarev (both Romanian and Polish versions are on the market currently) or a CZ-27.

aarondhgraham · June 11, 2012, 09:36 AM

It might be a bit more Steampunk than Goth,,,
But the 1892 8mm Lebel is a stylish handgun for the era.

They are not particularly rare,,,
New ammo is available through Fiocchi,,,
Reloaded ammo (from 32.20 cartridges) is available.

I see them at gun-shows every now and then,,,
Ranging from $125.00 to $250.00.

I shoot mine regularly,,,
It's very solid and surprisingly accurate.

Aarond

wogpotter · June 11, 2012, 12:47 PM

Why not get a revolver from the 1850's, that is the Victorian period & there are a lot of replicas available for a reasonable price?

Colt 1860 ot a Remington 1858, all cap & ball & so relatively inexpensive & mailable as they aren't a "Modern gun" in many jurisdictions. You could get something off the wall like a LeMat but that would drive the cost up, or do a cartridge conversion for a distinctive look. Cabela's is having a sale on them right now even!

Here's an 1858 Remington with a 7 1/2" BBL, but shorter ones are available & some have brass frames for a different look.

Dragline45 · June 11, 2012, 02:04 PM

I think some people are confusing gothic, better known for the architectural style, with the more modern goth culture. To get exactly what shes looking for shes going to have to spend some good money getting custom engraving or grips or the like.

If she has 100k she could buy this colt

. The SAA was right around the end of the victorian era, but that's as close as I could find to a victorian gothic style handgun. I mean she can obv go for a handgun from that era, but when I think BBQ gun I think fancy grips or engraving and all the bells and whistles, I don't picture a webley.

ohen cepel · June 11, 2012, 02:18 PM

I would go Nagant (cheap and then customize as you like) or Webley.

smith357 · June 11, 2012, 06:02 PM

The Vampire Hunter came to mind but then it or one like it would be out of here price range.

Mello2u · June 11, 2012, 06:52 PM

Check out this thread:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...ghlight=gothic

Master Blaster 2 · June 12, 2012, 09:26 PM

Resin Colonel J Fizziwigs Steampunk

jaughtman · June 12, 2012, 09:56 PM

If you are truely looking for GOTHIC, go with a Webley, Cap and Ball, or SSA....tricked out, of course.

willmc33 · June 12, 2012, 10:26 PM

Smith357 that is a sweet setup you posted there. To me you cant get more gothic in the world of handguns the something those damn nazis proof marked or just a Luger for that matter.

willmc33 · June 12, 2012, 10:32 PM

willmc33 · June 12, 2012, 10:37 PM

willmc33 · June 12, 2012, 10:38 PM

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com...thumbnail1.jpg

silvermane_1 · June 14, 2012, 11:06 PM

samsmix, this may be what your goth lady friend might be looking for http://seattleguns.net/showthread.ph...earl-Grips-550

Skans · June 15, 2012, 07:47 AM

I started a thread about these retro-mod, mob or steampunk type guns, but this might be the kind of thing she is looking for.

Al Den · June 16, 2012, 09:38 AM

The 1892 will also take .32 shorts...

samsmix · June 16, 2012, 08:55 PM

Better results this time.

Steam Punk would be a more apt description. Personally I LOVED the decked out Webley snubbie.

I see a few here I should run by her:

~The pepperbox was a thought outside the box.
~The 2 Frenchy revolvers are good candidates, especially an 1873 in good . shape

~The early Bergmann Pistols would be AWESOME... If not for scarcity and . price. Dotto the Frommer Stop & Webley-Fosbery, (the Fosbery would . be mighty cool though!)

~The matched NAA mini gats might be okay, if a bit frustrating at the range.

I'll pass all of this along. I did, incidentally check out the earlier thread. I was actually the originator of that thread, but was hoping to get different opinions this time, and it worked.

samsmix · June 16, 2012, 09:05 PM

Actually, what would the pictured Bergmann cost nowadays?

Skans · June 17, 2012, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Personally I LOVED the decked out Webley snubbie.

Yeah, I don't usually go for modified guns, refinished guns,etc.....but this one really caught my attention. Price is too high for me, but at a lower price, I'd buy it.

wogpotter · June 17, 2012, 01:19 PM

As you seem to like the Webly look, check out the break-top H&R guns.

One of those would lend itself to customizing on a budget & there are some in .22LR so ammo would be cheap as well. That way you'd have some more cash for the custom work to "Goth it out" maybe?

samsmix · June 17, 2012, 04:28 PM

Actually, an old chromed H&R or Iver Johnson with MoP grips might be acceptable. Perhaps in black chrome with silver accents on black grips...yes, yes, keep the recommendations coming.

Still want a price on a Bergmann 1896 no.3 pistol though I expect it will be a fortune, and not suitable for modification.

The Roth-Steyr M-1907 seems like a candidate, as does the Mannlicher 1901. Can either one be made to fire .32acp?

June 10, 2012, 08:09 PM	#1
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	Gothic Themed Handguns I know a very Abby-esqe woman who would like a range and BBQ gun in the Victorian Gothic style. She is an avid hunter & shooter, but this one needs to serve no purpose other than style. Caliber can run from .22lr (Ideal) to .44mag, and any style. She CANNOT aford to shoot or collect anything as costly as an old Gasser, but a Gothed-out Nagant or 4" Webley would be okay. Autos are certainly okay as well. A chromed & engraved Astra or Star? Open to any options. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

June 10, 2012, 08:21 PM	#2
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,159	I don't know how one goths anyhting out, but if I catch your drift- a 1911 with a set of these: http://www.1911gungrip.com/Pewter-19...B0032TXW5G.htm Later on, she can have engraving done a bit at a time as money will allow. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

June 11, 2012, 09:36 AM	#6
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Webley beat me to it,,, It might be a bit more Steampunk than Goth,,, But the 1892 8mm Lebel is a stylish handgun for the era. They are not particularly rare,,, New ammo is available through Fiocchi,,, Reloaded ammo (from 32.20 cartridges) is available. I see them at gun-shows every now and then,,, Ranging from $125.00 to $250.00. I shoot mine regularly,,, It's very solid and surprisingly accurate. Aarond __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

June 11, 2012, 12:47 PM	#7
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Why not get a revolver from the 1850's, that is the Victorian period & there are a lot of replicas available for a reasonable price? Colt 1860 ot a Remington 1858, all cap & ball & so relatively inexpensive & mailable as they aren't a "Modern gun" in many jurisdictions. You could get something off the wall like a LeMat but that would drive the cost up, or do a cartridge conversion for a distinctive look. Cabela's is having a sale on them right now even! Here's an 1858 Remington with a 7 1/2" BBL, but shorter ones are available & some have brass frames for a different look. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

June 11, 2012, 02:04 PM	#8
Dragline45 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2010 Posts: 3,513	I think some people are confusing gothic, better known for the architectural style, with the more modern goth culture. To get exactly what shes looking for shes going to have to spend some good money getting custom engraving or grips or the like. If she has 100k she could buy this colt. The SAA was right around the end of the victorian era, but that's as close as I could find to a victorian gothic style handgun. I mean she can obv go for a handgun from that era, but when I think BBQ gun I think fancy grips or engraving and all the bells and whistles, I don't picture a webley. Last edited by Dragline45; June 11, 2012 at 02:19 PM.

June 10, 2012, 08:34 PM	#3
swopjan Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2011 Posts: 156	NAA does the Black Widow which is a little revolver in 22LR/22 Mag, might be able to find one that's blued or cerakoted black. if she's looking for something specific to the time period, perhaps a tricked-out flintlock?

June 11, 2012, 04:47 AM	#4
kcub Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,318	http://northamericanarms.com/ltd08 Or the Viuda Negra

June 11, 2012, 07:58 AM	#5
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	If you want a victorian looking revolver, your most affordable options will likely be either a Nagant M1895 or Webley Mk. IV .38. Other European military revolvers to keep an eye out for include other models of Nagant (Russia wasn't the only nation to use them), an Italian Bodeo, or a French Chamelot-Delvigne M1873 or Lebel M1892. In a semi-auto, you're going to have a somewhat more difficult time finding something truly victorian, but you might at least be able to get the look you're searching for. While not cheap, a C-96 Mauser "Broomhandle", P-08 Luger, or Lahti L-35 might give you the look you seek. Other guns for consideration that may be a bit more reasonable include a TT-33 Tokarev (both Romanian and Polish versions are on the market currently) or a CZ-27.

June 11, 2012, 02:18 PM	#9
ohen cepel Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 1999 Location: Where they send me Posts: 1,013	I would go Nagant (cheap and then customize as you like) or Webley. __________________ He who dares wins. NRA Life Benefactor Member

June 11, 2012, 06:02 PM	#10
smith357 Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2005 Posts: 270	The Vampire Hunter came to mind but then it or one like it would be out of here price range.

June 11, 2012, 06:52 PM	#11
Mello2u Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,424	Check out this thread: http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...ghlight=gothic __________________ NRA Life Member - Orange Gunsite Member - NRA Certified Pistol Instructor "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." Frederic Bastiat

June 12, 2012, 09:26 PM	#12
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	Resin Colonel J Fizziwigs Steampunk

June 12, 2012, 09:56 PM	#13
jaughtman Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 868	So, Gothic...or Goth? If you are truely looking for GOTHIC, go with a Webley, Cap and Ball, or SSA....tricked out, of course.

June 12, 2012, 10:26 PM	#14
willmc33 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2012 Location: Mobile,Al Posts: 473	Smith357 that is a sweet setup you posted there. To me you cant get more gothic in the world of handguns the something those damn nazis proof marked or just a Luger for that matter. __________________ "Perfection is the enemy of good enough"

June 12, 2012, 10:32 PM	#15
willmc33 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2012 Location: Mobile,Al Posts: 473	__________________ "Perfection is the enemy of good enough"

June 12, 2012, 10:37 PM	#16
willmc33 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2012 Location: Mobile,Al Posts: 473	__________________ "Perfection is the enemy of good enough"

June 12, 2012, 10:38 PM	#17
willmc33 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2012 Location: Mobile,Al Posts: 473	Gothic and cheap too. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com...thumbnail1.jpg __________________ "Perfection is the enemy of good enough"

June 14, 2012, 11:06 PM	#18
silvermane_1 Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2011 Location: Burien,WA Posts: 897	samsmix, this may be what your goth lady friend might be looking for http://seattleguns.net/showthread.ph...earl-Grips-550

June 15, 2012, 07:47 AM	#19
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	I started a thread about these retro-mod, mob or steampunk type guns, but this might be the kind of thing she is looking for.

June 16, 2012, 08:55 PM	#21
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	Better results this time. Steam Punk would be a more apt description. Personally I LOVED the decked out Webley snubbie. I see a few here I should run by her: ~The pepperbox was a thought outside the box. ~The 2 Frenchy revolvers are good candidates, especially an 1873 in good . shape ~The early Bergmann Pistols would be AWESOME... If not for scarcity and . price. Dotto the Frommer Stop & Webley-Fosbery, (the Fosbery would . be mighty cool though!) ~The matched NAA mini gats might be okay, if a bit frustrating at the range. I'll pass all of this along. I did, incidentally check out the earlier thread. I was actually the originator of that thread, but was hoping to get different opinions this time, and it worked. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

June 16, 2012, 09:05 PM	#22
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	Actually, what would the pictured Bergmann cost nowadays? __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

June 17, 2012, 01:19 PM	#24
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	As you seem to like the Webly look, check out the break-top H&R guns. One of those would lend itself to customizing on a budget & there are some in .22LR so ammo would be cheap as well. That way you'd have some more cash for the custom work to "Goth it out" maybe? __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

June 17, 2012, 04:28 PM	#25
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	Actually, an old chromed H&R or Iver Johnson with MoP grips might be acceptable. Perhaps in black chrome with silver accents on black grips...yes, yes, keep the recommendations coming. Still want a price on a Bergmann 1896 no.3 pistol though I expect it will be a fortune, and not suitable for modification. The Roth-Steyr M-1907 seems like a candidate, as does the Mannlicher 1901. Can either one be made to fire .32acp? __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?