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Old August 1, 2020, 05:15 PM   #26
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I usually load 5-10 into my AR mags. Depending on what kind of drill I’m running. If I top off a 30 rounder it ends up being a mag dump. No self - control.
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Old August 1, 2020, 07:51 PM   #27
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Any Appleseed events in your area?
What he said ^.
An Appleseed shoot will definitely make you a better shooter. Highly recommended.
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Old August 1, 2020, 09:52 PM   #28
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A book "Position Rifle Shooting"

But here is a dilemna. Despite your best efforts,you are almost certain to get some key things wrong.

Fundamental things. Which is to say you are about to build on a questionable foundation.

The real problem with that is developing bad habits and muscle memories that will take you in the wrong direction. These bad habits will establish a wall you will hit.
To get past the wall,you will have to unlearn the bad habits.That can be really hard.and at any time you may revert to bad habits.

So now you may be thinking "Gee,thanks. Way to rain on my parade. Nothing like a little discouragement!!"

No,I'm not going to leave you there. As Bart suggested,its best you find a coach.
I can't quite tell you how. It would be one on one,so COVID restriction should not be a problem.

How to search one out? You know your area and resources. I don't.
Ranges? Shooting Clubs? The VFW bulletin board? Your local gunsmith?
Are there any events you can attend to meet serious shooters?

You just might find an Old Guy who at least got serious with NRA smallbore.

This Old Guy might like nothing better than a reason to go to the range and pass on what he knows. You might breathe new life into him.

Or you might find an experienced service rifle competitor.

If you find someone,that book "Position Rifle Shooting" will help them coach.

I'll give you a clue as to whether you found a good one. If ,when you get started,he's looking down range at the target,you might want to keep looking.
He should be studying you. Position,sling,breathing,your eyes,your trigger finger.
Get a score book/log book. Make every shot a learning event.Write down all you can.

I watched an interview with Carlos Hathcock. He said the man who taught him his craft would take him to the range with one round, Carlos was to fire only one perfect shot. But he was to observe and record everything about that shot.Breeze in the grass,mirage,light,everything

I read of Ross Seifred. In his home South Africa,practrice ammo was a big deal. He was shooting a 1911. A practice session might be 10 rounds,or maybe two magazines. A few rounds,a mag change,a few more rounds.
His focus was to make those few shots perfect. It does you no good to practice poor technique.

Ross Seifred took that 1911 and won a world championship with it.

There is a CMP handbook that is well regarded.

The NRA used to have a course/qualification that could be done by mail if necessary. That might be a resource. It might help locate a coach.Shooting at 50 ft rimfire targets with 5.56 ought to work The 10 ring is the size of a 22 bullet. 11 bulls on a target.One for a sighter. Then one perfect shot at each of 10 bulls.

As far as setting up your AR,browse White Oak Armament. You don't have to spend a bunch of money there,but you can see how they set up target rifles.
Get Zelweigers book on the AR.

A spotting scope is a good tool.It lets you verify a call right then,while everything is fresh.
I'm probably right that,bang for the buck,a Rock River 2 stage National Match trigger is a good upgrade.Brownells (or others) can sell you a good 1907pattern sling. Browse Creedmoor Sports.

Good luck

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Old August 2, 2020, 06:49 AM   #29
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I've been shooting from the bench for so long that, when instructing people who haven't shot much, I'm amazed at how many ways they can hold a rifle wrong. Some of the worst problems include:

-Having the front sling swivel on the bag, or just touching the far side, so it impacts the bag at recoil;
-Positioning the rear bag incorrectly, so the stock is not positioned where it's supporting the rifle;
-Failing to hold the forend down on the bag when shooting a hard-recoiling rifle;
-Not having the butt of the rifle properly located on both the shoulder and on the rear bag;
-Leaning backward instead of leaning into the rifle;
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One of the things i see alot of are people resting the barrel on the front rest.
Also a death grip on the trigger hand. Loosen your grip on the trigger hand. When i tried this, i was amazed at how much i was trying to torque the stock.

With a 2, or 3 MOA dot sight, the most accurate you can expect is 2-3 MOA.
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Old August 2, 2020, 08:33 AM   #31
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I think we need to establish what conditions are used to best define our marksmanship skills.

Our abilities to support and aim rifles then shoot bullets accurate are not tested when the rifle's resting on anything atop a bench.

The 10 ring on 200 and 300 yard high power match rifle targets is 7 inches. Nobody shoots tens all the time from prone, sitting or standing with stuff that tested 1/2 MOA bench rested.

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When I need to shoot from the bench, I normally shoot “off my elbows”. This is much closer to how I hold and handle the gun when shooting from prone.
I do not engage in benchrest competition so shooting tiny groups is not important to me. If I need additional stability, i will take a soft pack...or a sand bag, etc....and rest my front hand on it. Other than that I try to hold the gun as much like I would in prone as is possible.
I use the MR-31 target for my AR and the TQ-4 for rimfire.
For hunting rifles, i use whatever is long as I can see it at 100 yards.
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Old Yesterday, 05:30 PM   #33
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I finally got my front sling swivel in today and mounted. In the mean time, I used some para cord to tie my sling to the rifle and did some off hand using it today.

I have a lot to work on, but I'm mostly in the black of an NRA 25 yd slow fire pistol target at 25 yards and I'm happy to see improvement over 20 rounds today.

I followed the advice of 1 round per mag and it really helped me focus on THAT shot, not the next one.

The USMC marksmanship manual and Sight Alignment, Trigger Control & The Big Lie (which I just finished today) have tons of good info.

I need to get some iron sights on this thing, I'm having way too much fun with this to just leave it with the RDS.
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Standing,or offhand.. First,I'm not a coach or competitor.

Feet comfortably shoulder width,roughly. Let the bones of your frame stack naturally. Yo some degree,you will offset to balance the rifle,but you want your bones stacked as naturally as possible

Find your natural point of aim. Take a good look at your target. Close your eyes. Shoulder your rifle as if you were going to shoot. Open your eyes.

Where is your rifle pointing? Shift your feet and the hand on the forend till you open your eyes to aligned sights on target.

That may involve some work on your comb height or sight height. You need a "spot weld" Which is a landmark on your face that finds a landmark on the rifle the same way,every time. It needs to be a part of your eye aligning with the sights

Now,an important part about your bone stacking,shouldering the rifle,eye alignment,etc.

Don't tilt your head and take your face to the gun. Bring the gun to your face.

Here is why. As you are standing,little signals to your muscles keep you standing. Its about your sense of balance. The sensors that control your balance are in your inner ears. Straight up and level,your ears can find the placid ,level,peaceful pond. That is where you will wobble the least.

I'll leave you there.
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