OR ready suggestions please

icenoir · September 9, 2021, 09:02 PM

Looking at a 9mm as a optic platform, looking at vp9, canik , pdp, 365xl, any others to consider in the relatively budget range?

mk70ss · September 9, 2021, 09:16 PM

Springfield Armory Hellcat

icenoir · September 9, 2021, 10:33 PM

Also looking to see what people recommend out of this list

**Aguila Blanca** · September 10, 2021, 06:52 AM

For what purpose? Carry/self defense? Competition? Plinking?

wild cat mccane · September 10, 2021, 08:02 AM

If you go Canik, the Meke series update just came out. Sfx and sft models.

wild cat mccane · September 10, 2021, 08:04 AM

VP9 OR is going to be the most expensive and the slowest reset of those. So...if your red dot is for speed, not that one. No remedy as the replacement hkpro part seems to cause light strikes.

icenoir · September 10, 2021, 09:24 AM

This would primarily be for range use and to feel out my first optic on a pistol.

icenoir · September 10, 2021, 09:26 AM

Answered...

wild cat mccane · September 10, 2021, 09:35 AM

Sorry. Mete.

Undercuts above and below the trigger guard, more aggressive grip texture, reduced grip near the beaver tail area, etc.

OR plate doesn't remove rear sight.

TunnelRat · September 10, 2021, 10:36 AM

You’re not going to beat the prices of Canik.

My only complaint with the Mete series is they seem to only allow the use of the smaller optics like the Holosun 407k/507k or RMRcc. For a full size pistol at the range that’s a bit limiting, but also not show stopping. The PDP seems to readily available for $600 and even occasionally around $550 and lower. That’s pretty hard to beat for a mainline optic ready pistol.

As far as options overall, it’s practically unlimited these days. Glock, HK, FN, S&W, CZ, SIG, Springfield Armory, Walther, the list goes on. It would be worth going to a store and seeing which of those have ergonomics that appeal to you.

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icenoir · September 10, 2021, 10:53 PM

Thanks for pointing out the mete edition... This jumped to the top of my list.

wbw · September 11, 2021, 08:05 AM

I just got a Vortex Venom Red dot for my Canik TP9SFx. First let me say that in my opinion, the SFX is an impressive gun for the money. Entry level competition pistol. The reset is miniscule. I really like this gun, but wasn't shooting it as accurately as I wanted. But then I'm not as accurate as I want to be with any of my pistols.

So, enter the Red Dot. I mounted it and tried it out yesterday. It was incredible! I would say that my improvement was at least 100%. I was way more accurate and at about twice the distance that I normally shoot. I was having a ball. I can't wait to do it again.

I'm an older guy (70) and my LGS owner told me that 'old guys' love the red dots. Well, this old guy does. Someone had suggested on one of my gun forums that it might take a few months to get the hang of it and to give it a chance. Fortunately within about 40 rounds I had it dialed in and was adapting. I can't get over what an improvement that red dot has made for me.

BTW, my Canik TP9SFx came with four mounting plates one of which was the right one for the Vortex Venom.

I don't know if everyone experiences that dramatic of an improvement by adding a red dot. Maybe it had me concentrating on different things, or not as many things and that led to the improvement. I don't know. But it sure helped my accuracy.

wild cat mccane · September 11, 2021, 09:07 AM

You are welcome for the Mete idea, but I wouldn't recommend it over the new Walther PDP. I would recommend it for fun over the others, but not the PDP.

The Walther sear went out of copyright and that's when Canik and now Sar started using it in the TP9 series. The TP9 was a direct copy of the P99. I can dig up my photo of my TP9 next to my P99, it's exactly the same, just the Canik is unrefined.

The PDP comes OR, is only 75 dollars more, gives you a WAY better finish, smaller all around (ie, the Canik slide is HUGE), and I would say Walther quality is better. My Canik Elite suffered the light 115gr issue and I had a TP9SF suffer the trigger dingus lock issue. I have owned all the Canik TP9s excet the SC, Executive, and SFX--so a lot of them. They are good enough to keep buying them, but they are just big and refined compared to the Walther.

I am looking at the Mete SFX, but I keep going back to, why wouldn't I get the PDP in compact 5".

wbw · September 11, 2021, 09:36 AM

The PDP may be more refined than a Canik. I wouldn't know. I've never handled a Walther in person. But in my opinion, there is nothing unrefined about the SFX that I have. Maybe yours were. Then again, 'refined' is somewhat subjective.

I'm considering an Elite Combat with the Salient parts.

wild cat mccane · September 11, 2021, 10:37 AM

It's a copy of the Walther grip, but bigger for no reason and weights more. So when you pick up the Walther you will feel the difference. The polymer is harder on the Walther and makes it feel better.
The finish on the Walther is better. Ferritic nitrocarburizing finish on the internal parts vs just nickel coating too.

wild cat mccane · September 11, 2021, 10:48 AM

Walther PDP is 550 at Kygunco right now. I just purchased one now too.

So 25 dollars difference now vs the Canik Mete.

Turkey vs Germany. Importer Walther USA vs Century Arms....

rickmelear · September 11, 2021, 11:38 AM

IWI Masada. $439 and comes with 4 plates. Very pleased with mine.

icenoir · September 11, 2021, 01:36 PM

The PDP compact had limited availability and the ten round versions are no where to be found...
I handled both the PDP and canik, but they only had the full size and no ten round versions of the PDP. I was more impressed with the canik. Price difference also seems closer to 170 from what I have seen.
Masada was decent but didn't stand out. A bit larger then I prefer.

TunnelRat · September 11, 2021, 01:44 PM

In the future it’s worth mentioning if you’re restricted to 10 rd magazines, that way people better know what to recommend.

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eflyguy · September 11, 2021, 01:53 PM

What does "OR ready" mean?

I know they are looking for optics but wondering about the terminology.

wbw · September 11, 2021, 02:20 PM

OR means that the slide is already cut for an optics mount plate.

icenoir · September 11, 2021, 03:39 PM

OR =optics ready.

Isk · September 13, 2021, 06:16 PM

I'm going to "second" the Masada. I put a Trijicon RMR on mine and I'm impressed every time I go to the range. So smooth, so easy to shoot. I probably only have 300-400 rounds through mine, but all have been without a hiccup.

For less than $1,000 total, I'm not sure you could do better.

PzGren · September 14, 2021, 06:44 PM

Shooting is my hobby and there will be no shortcuts and cheap guns, especially with the current ammo prices I cannot afford a mediocre gun.
Just got this Shadow Systems MR920 Elite in today, mounted an RMR2 and went to the range.
I consider it an excellent value!

jerryd · September 18, 2021, 10:37 AM

Picked this up about 3 months ago with red dot already mounted, older eyes need some help seeing the target. have about 1200 rds thru it and love it! not much recoil at all and it fits my hand perfect, although the mags are pricey at 48.00 each. Try one or whatever make your looking at before you buy.

September 9, 2021, 09:02 PM	#1
icenoir Member Join Date: December 14, 2006 Posts: 22	OR ready suggestions please Looking at a 9mm as a optic platform, looking at vp9, canik , pdp, 365xl, any others to consider in the relatively budget range? Last edited by icenoir; September 9, 2021 at 09:24 PM.

September 9, 2021, 09:16 PM	#2
mk70ss Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,598	Springfield Armory Hellcat __________________ Say when.....

September 10, 2021, 06:52 AM	#4
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,466	For what purpose? Carry/self defense? Competition? Plinking? __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

September 10, 2021, 08:02 AM	#5
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	If you go Canik, the Meke series update just came out. Sfx and sft models. __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM. Last edited by wild cat mccane; September 10, 2021 at 09:36 AM.

September 10, 2021, 08:04 AM	#6
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	VP9 OR is going to be the most expensive and the slowest reset of those. So...if your red dot is for speed, not that one. No remedy as the replacement hkpro part seems to cause light strikes. __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

September 9, 2021, 10:33 PM	#3
icenoir Member Join Date: December 14, 2006 Posts: 22	Also looking to see what people recommend out of this list

September 10, 2021, 09:24 AM	#7
icenoir Member Join Date: December 14, 2006 Posts: 22	This would primarily be for range use and to feel out my first optic on a pistol.

September 10, 2021, 09:26 AM	#8
icenoir Member Join Date: December 14, 2006 Posts: 22	Answered... Last edited by icenoir; September 10, 2021 at 09:50 AM.

September 10, 2021, 09:35 AM	#9
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	Sorry. Mete. Undercuts above and below the trigger guard, more aggressive grip texture, reduced grip near the beaver tail area, etc. OR plate doesn't remove rear sight. __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

September 10, 2021, 10:36 AM	#10
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	You’re not going to beat the prices of Canik. My only complaint with the Mete series is they seem to only allow the use of the smaller optics like the Holosun 407k/507k or RMRcc. For a full size pistol at the range that’s a bit limiting, but also not show stopping. The PDP seems to readily available for $600 and even occasionally around $550 and lower. That’s pretty hard to beat for a mainline optic ready pistol. As far as options overall, it’s practically unlimited these days. Glock, HK, FN, S&W, CZ, SIG, Springfield Armory, Walther, the list goes on. It would be worth going to a store and seeing which of those have ergonomics that appeal to you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

September 10, 2021, 10:53 PM	#11
icenoir Member Join Date: December 14, 2006 Posts: 22	Thanks for pointing out the mete edition... This jumped to the top of my list.

September 11, 2021, 08:05 AM	#12
wbw Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2008 Location: York Pa. Posts: 738	I just got a Vortex Venom Red dot for my Canik TP9SFx. First let me say that in my opinion, the SFX is an impressive gun for the money. Entry level competition pistol. The reset is miniscule. I really like this gun, but wasn't shooting it as accurately as I wanted. But then I'm not as accurate as I want to be with any of my pistols. So, enter the Red Dot. I mounted it and tried it out yesterday. It was incredible! I would say that my improvement was at least 100%. I was way more accurate and at about twice the distance that I normally shoot. I was having a ball. I can't wait to do it again. I'm an older guy (70) and my LGS owner told me that 'old guys' love the red dots. Well, this old guy does. Someone had suggested on one of my gun forums that it might take a few months to get the hang of it and to give it a chance. Fortunately within about 40 rounds I had it dialed in and was adapting. I can't get over what an improvement that red dot has made for me. BTW, my Canik TP9SFx came with four mounting plates one of which was the right one for the Vortex Venom. I don't know if everyone experiences that dramatic of an improvement by adding a red dot. Maybe it had me concentrating on different things, or not as many things and that led to the improvement. I don't know. But it sure helped my accuracy. Last edited by wbw; September 11, 2021 at 08:26 AM.

September 11, 2021, 09:07 AM	#13
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	You are welcome for the Mete idea, but I wouldn't recommend it over the new Walther PDP. I would recommend it for fun over the others, but not the PDP. The Walther sear went out of copyright and that's when Canik and now Sar started using it in the TP9 series. The TP9 was a direct copy of the P99. I can dig up my photo of my TP9 next to my P99, it's exactly the same, just the Canik is unrefined. The PDP comes OR, is only 75 dollars more, gives you a WAY better finish, smaller all around (ie, the Canik slide is HUGE), and I would say Walther quality is better. My Canik Elite suffered the light 115gr issue and I had a TP9SF suffer the trigger dingus lock issue. I have owned all the Canik TP9s excet the SC, Executive, and SFX--so a lot of them. They are good enough to keep buying them, but they are just big and refined compared to the Walther. I am looking at the Mete SFX, but I keep going back to, why wouldn't I get the PDP in compact 5". __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

September 11, 2021, 09:36 AM	#14
wbw Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2008 Location: York Pa. Posts: 738	The PDP may be more refined than a Canik. I wouldn't know. I've never handled a Walther in person. But in my opinion, there is nothing unrefined about the SFX that I have. Maybe yours were. Then again, 'refined' is somewhat subjective. I'm considering an Elite Combat with the Salient parts.

September 11, 2021, 10:37 AM	#15
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	It's a copy of the Walther grip, but bigger for no reason and weights more. So when you pick up the Walther you will feel the difference. The polymer is harder on the Walther and makes it feel better. The finish on the Walther is better. Ferritic nitrocarburizing finish on the internal parts vs just nickel coating too. __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

September 11, 2021, 10:48 AM	#16
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	Walther PDP is 550 at Kygunco right now. I just purchased one now too. So 25 dollars difference now vs the Canik Mete. Turkey vs Germany. Importer Walther USA vs Century Arms.... __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

September 11, 2021, 11:38 AM	#17
rickmelear Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2005 Location: palm beach county, fl Posts: 257	IWI Masada. $439 and comes with 4 plates. Very pleased with mine.

September 11, 2021, 01:36 PM	#18
icenoir Member Join Date: December 14, 2006 Posts: 22	The PDP compact had limited availability and the ten round versions are no where to be found... I handled both the PDP and canik, but they only had the full size and no ten round versions of the PDP. I was more impressed with the canik. Price difference also seems closer to 170 from what I have seen. Masada was decent but didn't stand out. A bit larger then I prefer.

September 11, 2021, 01:44 PM	#19
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	In the future it’s worth mentioning if you’re restricted to 10 rd magazines, that way people better know what to recommend. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

September 11, 2021, 01:53 PM	#20
eflyguy Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2021 Posts: 335	What does "OR ready" mean? I know they are looking for optics but wondering about the terminology.

September 11, 2021, 02:20 PM	#21
wbw Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2008 Location: York Pa. Posts: 738	OR means that the slide is already cut for an optics mount plate.

September 11, 2021, 03:39 PM	#22
icenoir Member Join Date: December 14, 2006 Posts: 22	OR =optics ready.

September 13, 2021, 06:16 PM	#23
Isk Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Location: Alaska Posts: 206	I'm going to "second" the Masada. I put a Trijicon RMR on mine and I'm impressed every time I go to the range. So smooth, so easy to shoot. I probably only have 300-400 rounds through mine, but all have been without a hiccup. For less than $1,000 total, I'm not sure you could do better. __________________ The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. -James Burgh

September 14, 2021, 06:44 PM	#24
PzGren Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2001 Posts: 1,260	Shooting is my hobby and there will be no shortcuts and cheap guns, especially with the current ammo prices I cannot afford a mediocre gun. Just got this Shadow Systems MR920 Elite in today, mounted an RMR2 and went to the range. I consider it an excellent value!

September 18, 2021, 10:37 AM	#25
jerryd Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Location: Ct. Posts: 131	Sig 265xl Picked this up about 3 months ago with red dot already mounted, older eyes need some help seeing the target. have about 1200 rds thru it and love it! not much recoil at all and it fits my hand perfect, although the mags are pricey at 48.00 each. Try one or whatever make your looking at before you buy.