60 Minutes and AR15

DaleA · November 9, 2018, 06:35 AM

Well 60 Minutes is at it again. They are demonizing the AR15 by dramatizing the wounds a .223/5.56 round can inflict on people compared to a 9 mm handgun round.

Also:
"Mass casualty events have become so common that everyone should know how to use a first aid bleeding kit." Never mind that auto accidents, shop accidents, ANY accident can cause bleeding and that it would be a good thing to know some first aid.

The 60 Minutes story can be seen here:
https://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes...e-of-his-life/

A response to the TV show is provided by Breitbart here:
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...pon-of-choice/

**Aguila Blanca** · November 9, 2018, 07:24 PM

If you think about it, a bus or train crash qualifies as a "mass casualty incident." They're not limited to mass shootings.

Jdin8455 · November 9, 2018, 08:13 PM

I wish liberal media would "villainize" drunk drivers as much as they do gun owners.

rickyrick · November 9, 2018, 09:15 PM

I’m not going to use any partisan labels but...
I have seen the media outlets lie about many things that I am very knowledgeable about, not just guns. I am probably least knowledgeable about guns than any other pursuit in why I take part, but I know enough to spot the lies.

If they are dishonest about things I do know, I can pretty much bet that they are lying about the stuff that I don’t know.

I do know that the people who are the first to defend the 2nd amendment are actually the people who don’t want to have to use a firearm.

TXAZ · November 9, 2018, 09:27 PM

I guess they've never seen the wound from a 12 Ga. slug or .50 BMG that hits a bone.

rickyrick · November 9, 2018, 09:57 PM

If they base the power threshold for restriction on the .223 we are all in trouble.

**Aguila Blanca** · November 10, 2018, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rickyrick

If they base the power threshold for restriction on the .223 we are all in trouble.

Oh, stop. Everyone knows that .22 CB caps are perfectly adequate for self defense.

Mike38 · November 11, 2018, 01:18 PM

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If they [the media] are dishonest about things I do know, I can pretty much bet that they are lying about the stuff that I don’t know.

Yep, and the reason I agree with the statement "The Media is the enemy of the State". Any one or any organization that willingly, intentionally, and blatantly lies at a level the Main Stream Media does is not your friend, they are your enemy.

RC20 · November 11, 2018, 06:08 PM

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Yep, and the reason I agree with the statement "The Media is the enemy of the State". Any one or any organization that willingly, intentionally, and blatantly lies at a level the Main Stream Media does is not your friend, they are your enemy.

I think we need to differentiate between lying and ignorance. I am deeply technical and I see those flaws all the time, guns or not.

Its impossible for news orgnaziaons to be experts in all the given high tech categores.

The luagh of Foreve was wathcin Suprme Cour Foggies get taken in my Microst on how the browser just had to be part of the operating system.

And all those other add one browsers.........

On the other hand one of the most brilliant pieces of Logic I ever read came from the Judge who was involved in the Maconda Oil blowout litigation.

The Chineese and the Russians concern me far more than the media. But then I grew up in the era where nukes could come flying across the pole at any time and we were prime targets.

Bartholomew Roberts · November 11, 2018, 07:42 PM

The Chinese and Russians can spend a fraction of the budget it takes to develop and support ICBMs and find thousands of willing takers in media and Hollywood.

Mike38 · November 11, 2018, 07:58 PM

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Its impossible for news orgnaziaons to be experts in all the given high tech categores.

Agree, but then they should do what most normal level headed persons would do, refrain from comment. But no, they rattle on with their nonsense as if they are experts in the topic field. The gullible out there, which is greater than 50% of the population, fall hook/line/sinker for the nonsense being spewed.

Many people are finally starting to wake up to the partisan hacks in the Media, but still too many believe the lies and misinformation just because they think the well dressed person on the TV is intelligent.

Targa · November 12, 2018, 10:29 AM

Do you expect anything else? I dont waste my time looking at anything from liberal rags, its all the same predictable rhetoric.

Double Naught Spy · November 12, 2018, 12:35 PM

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Agree, but then they should do what most normal level headed persons would do, refrain from comment.

So because the comment they are not level headed. Got it.

Strangely, that applies on gun forums. Basically you are saying that folks on gun forums such as this one who don't refrain from comment are not level headed?

Or is it the folks on gun forums who aren't experts and don't refrain from comment aren't level headed?

It is fun to point fingers until you realize you are pointing at yourself.

People discuss issues all the time about which they are not experts. Maybe you saw the recent political campaigns? Based on your categorization, I would have to say that absolutely nobody is level headed, but also based on what you said, it would appear that you are not an expert in human behavior. So where does that leave us?

Glenn E. Meyer · November 12, 2018, 02:38 PM

Most of the discussion has nothing to do with the content of the show - so lights out.

Closed.

November 9, 2018, 06:35 AM	#1
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,312	60 Minutes and AR15 Well 60 Minutes is at it again. They are demonizing the AR15 by dramatizing the wounds a .223/5.56 round can inflict on people compared to a 9 mm handgun round. Also: "Mass casualty events have become so common that everyone should know how to use a first aid bleeding kit." Never mind that auto accidents, shop accidents, ANY accident can cause bleeding and that it would be a good thing to know some first aid. The 60 Minutes story can be seen here: https://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes...e-of-his-life/ A response to the TV show is provided by Breitbart here: https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...pon-of-choice/

November 9, 2018, 09:27 PM	#5
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	I guess they've never seen the wound from a 12 Ga. slug or .50 BMG that hits a bone. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

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Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Most of the discussion has nothing to do with the content of the show - so lights out. Closed. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

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November 9, 2018, 07:24 PM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,458	If you think about it, a bus or train crash qualifies as a "mass casualty incident." They're not limited to mass shootings.

November 9, 2018, 08:13 PM	#3
Jdin8455 Member Join Date: February 25, 2018 Posts: 55	I wish liberal media would "villainize" drunk drivers as much as they do gun owners.

November 9, 2018, 09:15 PM	#4
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	I’m not going to use any partisan labels but... I have seen the media outlets lie about many things that I am very knowledgeable about, not just guns. I am probably least knowledgeable about guns than any other pursuit in why I take part, but I know enough to spot the lies. If they are dishonest about things I do know, I can pretty much bet that they are lying about the stuff that I don’t know. I do know that the people who are the first to defend the 2nd amendment are actually the people who don’t want to have to use a firearm.

November 9, 2018, 09:57 PM	#6
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	If they base the power threshold for restriction on the .223 we are all in trouble.

November 11, 2018, 07:42 PM	#10
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	The Chinese and Russians can spend a fraction of the budget it takes to develop and support ICBMs and find thousands of willing takers in media and Hollywood.

November 12, 2018, 10:29 AM	#12
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	Do you expect anything else? I dont waste my time looking at anything from liberal rags, its all the same predictable rhetoric.