Sig P365: Glock 43 Killer? - Page 3

TunnelRat · January 18, 2018, 09:39 PM

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Hasn't it always been kind of like that though? For most of the 20th Century, DA revolvers were the bulk of guns sold. In the 1980's, just about every manufacturer produced TDA double stack autos. It is those minor differences that might make the differences in sales and ultimately, success.

To a point I'd agree, but I think with the current crop of "safe action" striker fired pistols there are even fewer differences and notably more offerings from each manufacturer. At least that's how it seems to me. I think those minor differences will see offerings for a lot of preferences, which is good for the consumer, I just wonder about the market going forward. We're already seeing it with the AR companies.

Go_Ordnance · January 19, 2018, 09:09 PM

I've got a few Glocks, to include the G43. While the extra capacity is nice, what interests me most about the P365 is the trigger. If it's as good as the P320, I'm sold.

redrick · January 20, 2018, 05:45 AM

The 43 is not the top dog in that category , so it is not there to be killed . It probably will hurt the Shield .

Glock has a cult like following , many people are going to buy Glock's for just the name if for nothing else . They do make a good product too , not the best IMO , but very good .

lunger · January 20, 2018, 09:20 AM

I have seen so many" Glock Killer" threads I thought they must be dead already.

dreaming · January 20, 2018, 01:39 PM

Perhaps they are dead but they and some others just don't know it.

Mackie244Bud · January 20, 2018, 03:38 PM

redrick says,

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It probably will hurt the Shield

My exact thought when I saw the info on the P365.

I love my Sig P320 RX, yet my main Carry is the original 9mm Shield.
If I really like the P365 I would sell my Shield and have a nice Sig Pair: P320 / P365.
Not to mention when I go to the range, I'd rather shoot my P320 than my Shield!
If the P365 feels like my P320, just smaller........it's a no brainer!
BUT...I haven't even seen one yet so this is all conjecture...
But it has me thinking....

Mackie244 / Bud

Mackie244Bud · January 21, 2018, 09:45 AM

P365 compared to M&P Shield & XD-S 45 ACP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDPlzU2q9Tw

Gun Talk Live: Un-Boxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVBMfSbC3VM

dieselscout80 · January 21, 2018, 06:36 PM

I think the term Glock killer is wrong.

I may however kill the small single stack autos (any brand) that are really carried IWB most of the time.

5whiskey · January 21, 2018, 08:20 PM

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To a point I'd agree, but I think with the current crop of "safe action" striker fired pistols there are even fewer differences and notably more offerings from each manufacturer. At least that's how it seems to me.

Exactly my thoughts. In the early part of the 20th century, there were only a few big names around. S&W, Colt, and H&R were probably the biggest in the revolver world. In the late 20th, we had Beretta, Glock, Sig, S&W, Hi-Power clones, and 1911s in the semi-auto game. Ruger was getting big in the revolver game and beginning to dabble in semis. Yes there were more, but these were the big names. There were very real differences. Weight (by a wide margin), DA/SA, SAO, DAO, capacity, and material (all steel, aluminum alloy, or polymer). The current crop of m&p, Glock, Walther, Ruger, SIG (p320), CZ (p10), and the like honestly have far fewer differences than did the S&W semis of the 90s and the Beretta 92 series. And other than weight, those were two of the more similar models from back in the day.

I've seen nothing truly revolutionary in a while. I would say about 10 years now when the current crop of micro 9s came to field. The Ruger LCP, along with kel tec and kahr, were pioneers in this field. The S&W shield, as said, is probably more vulnerable to this new SIG than anything. The shield wasn't a first either. It doesn't do much that kahr or kel tec hasn't already done, if not make it slightly more reliable (I've never had a problem with kahrs, apparently other have).

That was my point. Even the new eave of micro 9s, a market in which Glock was seriously late to the game, hasn't proved to hurt Glock very much, and these are very popular pistols. This SIG isn't head and shoulders above anything on paper. We will see when IBM has some road tests.

Fishbed77 · January 23, 2018, 09:13 AM

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The S&W shield, as said, is probably more vulnerable to this new SIG than anything.

As long as S&W can continue to sell the Shield for the low prices they sell them for, I feel it is going to be somewhat insulated from any impact the P365 might bring to the market.

I know plenty of folks who picked up a Shield based largely on its very low price (even I had to pick one up when they could be had for $215 with the rebate). I don't see this SIG matching that.

wrdwrght · January 23, 2018, 01:17 PM

The "capacity for its size" metric certainly has my attention, but the SIG of my several 1990s-vintage P22x models is not the SIG of today. I'll wait until reports of 500 flawless rounds become the norm before I consider letting the P365 unseat either my G43 or PPS M2.

rugmar · January 24, 2018, 09:06 AM

I will say yes it is a g43 killer. Looks like it also killed the p239 and the p290 right out of the gate. It will probably take down the shield as well. This thing may conquer the world.

Anybody even seen one yet?

Mackie244Bud · January 24, 2018, 03:15 PM

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This thing may conquer the world.

LOL...And we haven't even Seen it, Held it or Shot it!
The P365 has been built up so much, that I'm afraid it will never live up to it's mystification!

Mackie244 / Bud

Laz · January 25, 2018, 09:10 PM

Sometimes pistols that have very similar LWH dimension on paper are surprisingly different viewed side by side, or held, or worn iwb or in a pocket. Sometimes, in a small pistol a 1/8 or 1/4 inch difference makes a very significant difference in actual carry. Just sayin’...the thin single stack may have more life than it might appear. Time will tell. Time will also tell how long magazine springs hold up to the maximum number of cartridges fitted into the minimum space. It sounds like a very interesting Pistol, when we actually see one.

Mackie244Bud · January 25, 2018, 09:56 PM

SO...Bottom line here...
Does anyone actually know when the P365 will be available to see and possibly purchase?

Mackie244 / Bud

DT Guy · January 25, 2018, 10:17 PM

My LGS (a big Sig dealer, lots of dedicated cases and branding) just announced they have one to rent and one to 'handle' in stock.

Larry

MandolinMan · January 25, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Does anyone actually know when the P365 will be available to see and possibly purchase?

I believe Sig announced that the first shipments went out this week.

My first thought was:" Oh boy! Another 'revolutionary' striker gun." But the more I look at it, the more it piques my interest.

Edit to add: you can buy it now on Gunbroker for $799!

Mackie244Bud · January 26, 2018, 03:38 PM

$799.00 Are they C-R-A-Z-Y!
The MSRP @ Sig is $599.99...This should be a $550.00 tops Pistol
Link Here: https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-...o-compact.html

Friggin' GunBroker selling above list!
That's why I got my Sig Sauer P320 Compact RX for $750.00 at a local gun shop...NO Shipping...NO FFL...NO 3% for Credit Card Orders!

Mackie244 / Bud

Go_Ordnance · January 26, 2018, 04:14 PM

Strangely, one dealer has two on auction. Both seem to have received 11 bids driving the price above $800.

There are a few auctions that look like legitimate bids. People are stupid. There's not going to be any shortage of these.

TunnelRat · January 26, 2018, 06:50 PM

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There are a few auctions that look like legitimate bids. People are stupid. There's not going to be any shortage of these.

There's no shortage of stupid people either.

robertsig · January 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

I ordered one from one of the big name shops on the Internet. My FFL is standing by.

I'll be comparing this to my faithful Kahr P9. I believe the P365 falls somewhere between the P9 and PM9 in size; closer to the former, which suits me just fine. It's 1" thick where my Kahr is .9", so for 3 more rounds that is well worth it.

Being a SIG fan and owning other SIG's, it's a no brainer to sell my (one and only) Kahr in favor of it. I can't wait!

JJNA · January 27, 2018, 12:25 AM

Gun Broker is an auction site, and is given to price fluctuations based on temporary psychological conditions (e.g. “I gotta be the first to have it!”). Sometimes one can get great deals for the same reason though.

Water-Man · January 27, 2018, 12:31 AM

The S&W Shield is more competition to the P365 than the Glock is. Especially factoring in price.

Jeff22 · January 27, 2018, 03:41 AM

In general, the people who like Glocks will still choose a G26 or G27 or G42 or G43 for a really small concealment gun.

People who like the Smith & Wesson M&P pistols will select the Shield.

Those carrying a Sig P320 will be interested in the P365.

For other users, it depends on personal preference and what fits in your hand better.

roadrash · January 27, 2018, 09:20 AM

Given Sigs recent track record,I am not going to be in a big rush to beta test the P365

January 21, 2018, 06:36 PM	#58
dieselscout80 Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2016 Posts: 6	I think the term Glock killer is wrong. I may however kill the small single stack autos (any brand) that are really carried IWB most of the time. Last edited by dieselscout80; January 21, 2018 at 08:18 PM.

January 23, 2018, 01:17 PM	#61
wrdwrght Member Join Date: November 13, 2011 Location: New Hampshire Seacoast Posts: 27	The "capacity for its size" metric certainly has my attention, but the SIG of my several 1990s-vintage P22x models is not the SIG of today. I'll wait until reports of 500 flawless rounds become the norm before I consider letting the P365 unseat either my G43 or PPS M2. __________________ Don't put me in fear for my life.

January 25, 2018, 09:10 PM	#64
Laz Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 1999 Posts: 1,278	Sometimes pistols that have very similar LWH dimension on paper are surprisingly different viewed side by side, or held, or worn iwb or in a pocket. Sometimes, in a small pistol a 1/8 or 1/4 inch difference makes a very significant difference in actual carry. Just sayin’...the thin single stack may have more life than it might appear. Time will tell. Time will also tell how long magazine springs hold up to the maximum number of cartridges fitted into the minimum space. It sounds like a very interesting Pistol, when we actually see one. __________________ Laz I’m just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about Somebody, who can save anybody.

January 25, 2018, 10:17 PM	#66
DT Guy Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2001 Posts: 959	My LGS (a big Sig dealer, lots of dedicated cases and branding) just announced they have one to rent and one to 'handle' in stock. Larry __________________ He who fights and runs away had better run pretty damn fast. Government, Anarchy and Chaos

January 26, 2018, 03:38 PM	#68
Mackie244Bud Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2017 Location: South Florida Posts: 252	$799.00 Are they C-R-A-Z-Y! The MSRP @ Sig is $599.99...This should be a $550.00 tops Pistol Link Here: https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-...o-compact.html Friggin' GunBroker selling above list! That's why I got my Sig Sauer P320 Compact RX for $750.00 at a local gun shop...NO Shipping...NO FFL...NO 3% for Credit Card Orders! Mackie244 / Bud Last edited by Mackie244Bud; January 26, 2018 at 04:14 PM.

January 19, 2018, 09:09 PM	#52
Go_Ordnance Member Join Date: December 24, 2017 Posts: 17	I've got a few Glocks, to include the G43. While the extra capacity is nice, what interests me most about the P365 is the trigger. If it's as good as the P320, I'm sold.

January 20, 2018, 05:45 AM	#53
redrick Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,041	The 43 is not the top dog in that category , so it is not there to be killed . It probably will hurt the Shield . Glock has a cult like following , many people are going to buy Glock's for just the name if for nothing else . They do make a good product too , not the best IMO , but very good .

January 20, 2018, 09:20 AM	#54
lunger Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2007 Posts: 443	I have seen so many" Glock Killer" threads I thought they must be dead already.

January 20, 2018, 01:39 PM	#55
dreaming Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2016 Posts: 186	Perhaps they are dead but they and some others just don't know it.

January 21, 2018, 09:45 AM	#57
Mackie244Bud Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2017 Location: South Florida Posts: 252	P365 compared to M&P Shield & XD-S 45 ACP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDPlzU2q9Tw Gun Talk Live: Un-Boxing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVBMfSbC3VM

January 24, 2018, 09:06 AM	#62
rugmar Senior Member Join Date: March 24, 2006 Posts: 108	I will say yes it is a g43 killer. Looks like it also killed the p239 and the p290 right out of the gate. It will probably take down the shield as well. This thing may conquer the world. Anybody even seen one yet?

January 25, 2018, 09:56 PM	#65
Mackie244Bud Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2017 Location: South Florida Posts: 252	SO...Bottom line here... Does anyone actually know when the P365 will be available to see and possibly purchase? Mackie244 / Bud

January 26, 2018, 04:14 PM	#69
Go_Ordnance Member Join Date: December 24, 2017 Posts: 17	Strangely, one dealer has two on auction. Both seem to have received 11 bids driving the price above $800. There are a few auctions that look like legitimate bids. People are stupid. There's not going to be any shortage of these.

January 26, 2018, 10:49 PM	#71
robertsig Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 262	I ordered one from one of the big name shops on the Internet. My FFL is standing by. I'll be comparing this to my faithful Kahr P9. I believe the P365 falls somewhere between the P9 and PM9 in size; closer to the former, which suits me just fine. It's 1" thick where my Kahr is .9", so for 3 more rounds that is well worth it. Being a SIG fan and owning other SIG's, it's a no brainer to sell my (one and only) Kahr in favor of it. I can't wait!

January 27, 2018, 12:25 AM	#72
JJNA Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2008 Posts: 231	Gun Broker is an auction site, and is given to price fluctuations based on temporary psychological conditions (e.g. “I gotta be the first to have it!”). Sometimes one can get great deals for the same reason though.

January 27, 2018, 12:31 AM	#73
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	The S&W Shield is more competition to the P365 than the Glock is. Especially factoring in price.

January 27, 2018, 03:41 AM	#74
Jeff22 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2004 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 715	new Sig P365 In general, the people who like Glocks will still choose a G26 or G27 or G42 or G43 for a really small concealment gun. People who like the Smith & Wesson M&P pistols will select the Shield. Those carrying a Sig P320 will be interested in the P365. For other users, it depends on personal preference and what fits in your hand better. __________________ You can only learn from experience if you pay attention!

January 27, 2018, 09:20 AM	#75
roadrash Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Posts: 367	Given Sigs recent track record,I am not going to be in a big rush to beta test the P365 Last edited by roadrash; January 27, 2018 at 10:14 AM.