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Old November 21, 2020, 10:25 AM   #76
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The P32 sz and weight difference is overstated as significant when comparing ballistics—in my opinion.

Add a magguts spring and capacity is the same without the fear of rim lock.

While fmj stays the recommended load on 32, 380 loads with XTP and new Hydroshok beat out bad 9mm for expanded penetration.

You have to want the 32 to want the P32. I am sure P32 owners do like them.
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Old November 21, 2020, 10:36 AM   #77
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Without getting into a long winded debate about ballistics, the Keltec sure provides a light weight carry. Especially in Hot Humid Summer when wearing a pair of shorts and Tee shirt. 6 1/2 ounces unloaded.

8 rds loaded with Underwood Plus P

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Old November 21, 2020, 10:47 AM   #78
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I can't repost my pic but here is the other thread with the P32 tipping the scales as mentioned. https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=605939
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Old November 21, 2020, 03:43 PM   #79
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Without getting into a long winded debate about ballistics, the Keltec sure provides a light weight carry. Especially in Hot Humid Summer when wearing a pair of shorts and Tee shirt. 6 1/2 ounces unloaded.

8 rds loaded with Underwood Plus P
You may want to avoid using some of the so-called "+P" ammo in the P32 considering that there is no such thing as an official +P loading for the .32 ACP cartridge as per SAAMI Specifications, ergo what you're using is unregulated overpressure ammo which may or may not be safe to shoot.
Yeah, I know that Kel-Tec states in their manuals that it's safe to shoot +Ps, but once again, these so-called ".32 ACP +P" loads aren't regulated, ergo the pressure curve between brands could exceed whatever brand of +P loads Kel-Tec has tested and hopefully determined is safe to shoot.

Just saying, if the LCP apparently isn't built sturdily enough to withstand 3000 rounds of Standard Pressure .380 ACP without the frame/rails cracking under the strain, then you probably shouldn't be trusting the Kel-Tec P32 which is even smaller, lighter, and objectively less robust than the LCP to hold up to the use of unofficial, unregulated overpressure ammunition.
Come to think of it, have you been referring to the use of .380 ACP +P loads this whole time when it comes to the LCP's failure to hold up to over 2500 rounds before something fails? Because if so, then that would explain the discrepancy between the relatively low round count of your LCP compared to folks I've seen on other forums who have claimed to have fired upwards of 5000 rounds without anything besides the takedown pin failing.

And once again, yes, I am aware that Buffalo Bore for instance claims that it's safe to shoot their so-called ".380 ACP +P" loads out of a Ruger LCP, but Ruger themselves says otherwise, and I'm more apt to take their word for it rather than the word of an ammo manufacturer. Besides, like I said, being unregulated overpressure loads, Underwood could be loading their .380 ACP +P ammo even hotter than Buffalo Bore.

Please be honest, I'm not judging you if that's the ammo that you prefer to use, (in fact I myself considered using it in the past, albeit in my PPK/S) I'm merely saying that use of such ammunition would obviously accelerate wear on the LCP, just as any official SAAMI Spec load would, and Ruger even advises against the regular use of official SAAMI Spec +P loads in their LC9 series of pistols, which are essentially just scalled up LCPs chambered in 9mm Luger.
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Old November 21, 2020, 05:59 PM   #80
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This topic has been discussed many times. On 380 manufacturers that state it will shoot Plus P or higher pressure ammo I have done this many times and the guns have no problem. However, yes, the manufacturers that state to not use it, DO NOT. They will go down.

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Old November 21, 2020, 06:47 PM   #81
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I’m not impressed by saami, since they have neutered favorite rounds like 38spl and 8mm Mauser.
The Underwood +P 380 shoots wonderfully in my Beretta 84F. Since I had some, I did put a couple mags through my P3AT, to no bad effect.
I’m a fan of the P32, however. After having shot and carried the P3AT for a few years, I picked up a P32 just before the plandemic hit.
The P32 is an excellent shooting pistol. I carry mine with a Hornady XTP in the chamber and first out of the mag...the rest is hot S&B FMJ.
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Old November 21, 2020, 08:47 PM   #82
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I’m not impressed by saami, since they have neutered favorite rounds like 38spl and 8mm Mauser.
The Underwood +P 380 shoots wonderfully in my Beretta 84F. Since I had some, I did put a couple mags through my P3AT, to no bad effect.
I’m a fan of the P32, however. After having shot and carried the P3AT for a few years, I picked up a P32 just before the plandemic hit.
The P32 is an excellent shooting pistol. I carry mine with a Hornady XTP in the chamber and first out of the mag...the rest is hot S&B FMJ.
why do you want reduced penetration for your first two rounds?
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Old November 21, 2020, 08:52 PM   #83
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Old November 21, 2020, 11:18 PM   #84
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I’m not impressed by saami, since they have neutered favorite rounds like 38spl and 8mm Mauser.
The Underwood +P 380 shoots wonderfully in my Beretta 84F. Since I had some, I did put a couple mags through my P3AT, to no bad effect.
I’m a fan of the P32, however. After having shot and carried the P3AT for a few years, I picked up a P32 just before the plandemic hit.
The P32 is an excellent shooting pistol. I carry mine with a Hornady XTP in the chamber and first out of the mag...the rest is hot S&B FMJ.
You can't really blame SAAMI for that, it was simple cause and effect which resulted from a massive influx of cheaply made firearms which couldn't handle full-spec ammunition. It was basically a necessary public safety counter-measure in response to a market that had been flooded with firearms which could catastrophically fail with the use of standard ammunition. In other words, don't blame SAAMI, blame Saturday Night Specials, Ring of Fire guns, and the people who bought them, as even then there were lower cost firearms that weren't junk, but certain folks just couldn't resist those bottom-dollar prices or otherwise lacked the good sense to avoid them in favor of firearms of clearly higher quality/workmanship.

It's a lot like the infamous Gun Control Act of 1968, often written off by conspiracy theorists as a brazen attempt by our eternally corrupt government to deny the American people access to inexpensive yet high quality firearms manufactured abroad, but in reality was a hastily thrown together and fundamentally flawed attempt at public safety by halting an influx of cheap, shoddy, and in many cases structurally unsound firearms which had become popular among criminals as disposable weapons.

Furthermore, modern .38 Special +P loads come close to replicating old .38 Special loads, and .357 Magnum can either meet or surpass them entirely depending on the load, so there's no big loss.

Lastly, whether you agree with SAAMI or not, it still isn't wise to mess around with unregulated overpressure loads in firearms which were designed around the concept of building the smallest, lightest weight pistols available, not necessarily the most rugged or durable.
If you want 9mm performance in the smallest package, then buy a SIG P365 or a Springfield Armory Hellcat, don't load your P3AT or LCP with overpressure .380 ACP ammo which at best amounts to poor-man's 9mm. And if you do, then don't act surprised when the firearm fails prematurely, much less blame the firearm because it unsurprisingly doesn't hold up well to ammunition which produces higher chamber pressures in excess of what it was designed to handle or otherwise could realistically be designed to handle when it comes to unregulated ammo produced by manufacturers whose entire selling point is maximum power, in which competition is bound to result in them trying to 1-Up each other with increasingly hotter loads.
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Getting back to the OP, I think across the board you will find the Keltec 32 a impressive lightweight, deep concealment firearm. Reliable and easy to shoot. It has a big fan base. I love the small Pocket guns and have not looked back on the purchase of the Keltec.
It really is quite amazing especially when you put it in your hand and feel the size and super light weight and then shoot it and find out how mild it actually shoots. Very nice DAO trigger.

The bad? Like you said finding one. And finding ammo. I was lucky to get one well before the crap for $160.00 which was a special deal I found.

Good luck my Friend, let us know if you score one of these fine deep concealment firearms.


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Old Yesterday, 10:34 AM   #86
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"plandemic" comment is beyond irritating.


On the P32, the last time I posted about it I mentioned the rim lock/kel tec wire kit. It was the general opinion all that had been solved and I was wrong. It was mentioned in this thread. So...Kel Tec do something to the mag? Just learning.

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Getting back to the OP, I think across the board you will find the Keltec 32 a impressive lightweight, deep concealment firearm. Reliable and easy to shoot. It has a big fan base. I love the small Pocket guns and have not looked back on the purchase of the Keltec.

It really is quite amazing especially when you put it in your hand and feel the size and super light weight and then shoot it and find out how mild it actually shoots. Very nice DAO trigger.



The bad? Like you said finding one. And finding ammo. I was lucky to get one well before the crap for $160.00 which was a special deal I found.



Good luck my Friend, let us know if you score one of these fine deep concealment firearms.



Thanks Carl. The shops are pretty much out of everything guns and ammo everywhere I go in my area.

My local gun store took the time to give me the UPC and another number to try to hunt down a P32 online but so far no avail.

I live in IL too and it doesn't seem like a lot of private sales are being posted on Armlist right now either.

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"I live in IL too and it doesn't seem like a lot of private sales are being posted on Armlist right now either."

I've used Armslist as a private buyer/seller for a few years, and sometime around early November they began to prevent me from emailing as a buyer (I had nothing for sale) unless I paid them $X a month for a "Premium Account" (or something like that). They said they needed the money to help with legal fees.

Maybe that's what happened in IL.
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"I live in IL too and it doesn't seem like a lot of private sales are being posted on Armlist right now either."

I've used Armslist as a private buyer/seller for a few years, and sometime around early November they began to prevent me from emailing as a buyer (I had nothing for sale) unless I paid them $X a month for a "Premium Account" (or something like that). They said they needed the money to help with legal fees.

Maybe that's what happened in IL.
It is the same way everywhere for Armslist. I was going to just make a listing as a for sale post but I don't really want another monthly fee.

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Along with panic buying, I think Florida supply lines were destroyed by covid.

Kel Tec and Diamondback are both FL based and neither has had a supply of guns since February.

gun.deals is where you want to search.

I think this is a VERY low value gun though, so you might need to look for some time before finding one.

Northrup is focusing on 9mm and 223 exclusively right now, so same for 32 ammo.
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Old Yesterday, 05:04 PM   #91
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I have had a P32, P3AT, LCP, LCPII, and a Pico.

The P32 was $210-something used and has given me no problems. I don't carry 32acp pistols, but it's a fun little pistol and I would carry it if I "had to".

My FiL still has my P3AT. I bought it new seven years ago or so and it still works fine.

The Pico has a stiff trigger.

The "original" LCP was fine, but I like the LCPII a lot better. It has much better trigger and sights. I carry it frequently.
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