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Old November 16, 2020, 03:21 PM   #1
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Where/When is This Bayonet From?

Quick question on a bayonet that my father acquired quite some time ago without knowledge as to what model it is or what country it's from. The thing that has me stumped the most is the fact that it doesn't have an extension with a thru-hole for the barrel of a rifle. Being that it doesn't have that it doesn't even have a groove cut for the barrel to be closer to the bayonet handle, like on the Kar 98 bayonets. I am curious to know where and/or when this bayonet is from. I'm sure there is someone out there that could help.

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Old November 16, 2020, 03:53 PM   #2
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My guess would be a standard mauser bayonet altered to be used as a knife...hole in the hilt ground off, blade shortened, surface grinder used to grind a flat-bottomed groove in the blade to lighten it. Or, I could be wrong.
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Old November 16, 2020, 03:57 PM   #3
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It certainly looks like a Mauser bayonet, and the belt attachment thingie on the scabbard is Mauser. Unknown what country might have made it, though.
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Old November 16, 2020, 07:51 PM   #4
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Looks to familiar, not to be a Mauser

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My guess would be a standard mauser bayonet altered to be used as a knife...hole in the hilt ground off, blade shortened, surface grinder used to grind a flat-bottomed groove in the blade to lighten it. Or, I could be wrong.
My guess as well as it looks much like my unmodified one, in my WW-II stash. The length looks like it's been shorted. I'll bet that I can find one, on the internet.
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Old November 16, 2020, 10:30 PM   #5
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That's an interwar Mauser bayonet. I'm not sure exactly which model, though.
Very close to an M39 Swede, but not one.
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Old November 16, 2020, 11:05 PM   #6
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The guard has not been cut down-the nickel plating is still intact.
This is a "parade bayonet." Made for dress, not for mounting to a rifle.
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Old November 17, 2020, 12:29 PM   #7
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Bill - I'm no expert, but it certainly wouldn't be uniform since the handguard lacks that hook for ensaring the opponent's bayonet and the part that slips over the muzzle? That's a bit too much work/removal for a parade piece.

My guess it was converted postwar into a kinfe.
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Old November 17, 2020, 02:11 PM   #8
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Mauser bayonet. There were very similar bayonets used on rifles between 1933 and 1945.
Rummage around here.
http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Ide...ion_guide.html
Looks more polished than plated to me.
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Old November 17, 2020, 02:17 PM   #9
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I tracked it down. It is a variant of the Austro-Hungarian M1888/16 bayonet, converted for use on M95M rifles, with the barrel ring removed some time later.

So, it was, indeed, converted into a knife.

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Leading up to WWI, and nearly universally afterward, hooked quillons were done away with (thanks to snagging on barbed wire and hooking other soldiers in trenches). Those that did retain a hooked quillon were almost exclusively long bayonets.
A shorty like this one would be exceptionally odd to have a hooked quillon.
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Old November 17, 2020, 04:23 PM   #10
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Thank you everyone. Everyone's guess was as good as mine. I think you're right FrankenMauser! I really questioned the idea that someone removed the part that goes over the barrel, initially, because it looks too symmetric but I guess someone had a good eye.
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Old November 18, 2020, 12:20 AM   #11
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You can see where the nickel plating is flaking on the guard in the 3rd picture.
If the guard was cut, it was done at the factory and the parts were refinished.
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Old November 18, 2020, 01:00 AM   #12
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Thanks to T. O'Heir for his link, I think it may be this one:
http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Ide...2/B1246_1.html
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Old November 18, 2020, 02:17 AM   #13
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You can see where the nickel plating is flaking on the guard in the 3rd picture.
If the guard was cut, it was done at the factory and the parts were refinished.
A-H 1888/16 bayonets were not nickel plated, nor were M95Ms.
Whomever plated it did so long after this antique was made, and remade, and probably remade again. (This likely began life as an 1888 bayonet, converted to 1888/16, and, again, converted to M95M. ...And then hacked by a civilian.)
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