If you won a contest, what gun would you choose? - Page 5

Johnny Guest · March 18, 2005, 07:53 PM

stephen426 - -

An apt question, and happily, one I can answer off the top of my head.

US Submachine Gun M3 - - Dubbed the "Grease Gun" from a real similarity to the auto garage tool from the olden days prior to sealed bearings.

Both the US and Britian were inspired by the German MP38 and MP40 machine pistols, and it took a long time to manufacture a Thompson SMG. Britian went with the Sten (Shephard + Turpin + ENfield, which is worthy of a lengthy entry in its own right. The US originated the M3. Both made extensive use of sheet metal stampings and screw machines, with milling only on the bolt.

The M3 (and later M3A1) were mostly manufactured by the Guide Lamp Division of GeneralMotors, a plant with lots of expreience in metalstampings. They were cal. .45 ACP (though easily converted to 9mm, by substitution of the bolt, barrel, and magazine) and all had collapsible wire stocks. They used a heavy 30 round magazine and had a rather slow rate of fire - - around 400 -- 450 rpunds per minute. The M3 had a crank-like handle on the right side to retract the bolt, while the M3A1 simply provided a finger hole in the bolt. The "safety" was the ejection port cover which locked the bolt in place.

By the end of WWII, the M1A1 Thompson SMG was totally out of production, supplanted by the M3A1, though some TSMGs remained in US service into the Korean war.

M3A1, from ca. 1944.
Both the M3 and M3A1 were usually seen without the flash hider.

Best,
Johnny

guy sajer · March 18, 2005, 09:02 PM

Nice history lesson Johnny . The WWII smg's are too cool

I didn't win a contest , but I am waiting on my transfer to clear on a Guide Lamp M3 . She's a sweety ! I'll post some pics in about 3-4 months

There's no way it should take that long to transfer ! They have a photo and print cards .

I've owned the MP40 and Reising smgs . Just have an M1 Savage from 1942 left . I've wanted a Grease Gun for years ! Found a deal

I friend of mine was driver in an Abrams in the first Gulf War . He said they had a Grease Gun in their tank .

2400 · March 19, 2005, 09:59 PM

Stoner 63A

RangerWannabe · March 24, 2005, 09:37 PM

I would have to go with an M3A1 "grease gun". how can you go wrong with a .45 subgun?

LuckyInKentucky · March 25, 2005, 01:17 AM

Gimme an German MG42 and let me go 'chuck some rocks' down at Knob Creek Gun Range !

shaggy · March 25, 2005, 06:43 PM

The next best thing to an M240

stephen426 · March 25, 2005, 07:42 PM

Thanks Johnny. I'd still think the M3 from BMW is better although having a full auto M3 grease gun could allow you to easily jack one (hell, you could jack a Ferrari or Lambo for that matter!). Thanks for the history lesson.

Rpn1984 · March 25, 2005, 07:49 PM

p90 or a hk ump

MTMilitiaman · March 29, 2005, 01:23 AM

An M2 Lightweight or a Krebs AK.

futureforcewarrior22 · March 29, 2005, 07:58 PM

A British L1A1 SLR, automatic capable, with a few 30 rounders and an M203 under the barrel, plus a couple hundred rounds of 40mm HEDP.

luchs · April 15, 2005, 11:30 AM

my first choice is a MG42/59 in 7,62x51 that have the advantage to use the NATO links...
the second is a good BREN in 7,62x51
for the SMg MAB 38 and or in semiauto a BT 96..
for a rifle M16A2 or old good FAL BM 59 italalpini..

Andrew LB · April 15, 2005, 05:45 PM

I'd probbaly go for an M-16a2 or an M-14a1.

I've shot both in their semiautomatic varieties and they were both great fun.

I also recently shot an M-17 Bullpup and thought it was a great rifle. Some random guy at the range let me pop off 30 rounds with his after i asked what the rifle was. He was really cool, i didn't ask to shoot it... he simply offered.

Definately something i wasn't going to pass up.

carolinaflats · April 15, 2005, 05:51 PM

Hk Mp5sd :d

panzer426 · April 21, 2005, 08:08 PM

dont know what it is but the huge truck mounted full auto belt fed at the beginning of the movie "tremors 3", or the em guns from "eraser" (not sure if they were full auto though?)

Stiletto · April 21, 2005, 08:56 PM

If it were at all legal, a P90. (How are they worthless?)

Since they're not...a Bizon in 9mm?

That would be FUN to trick out...get a more comfortable grip, mod in a collimator sight, replace the stock with something sturdier...

panzer426 · April 21, 2005, 09:13 PM

p90 WOULD be fun

panzer426 · April 21, 2005, 09:28 PM

I know its not a full auto but...Steyr AMR/IWS 2000 http://www.world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm

general dynamics 12.7mm
http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg39-e.htm

Thx1138 · April 28, 2005, 08:12 PM

I would like an ARES Shrike with 75 grain blended metal ammo.

Stiletto · April 29, 2005, 01:11 AM

Hmm...

...a modified G43 with a muzzle brake, scope, and a modern stock with adjustable pull and cheekrest?

I think I'll stand by my Bizon or P90 statements, though.

just one question · April 29, 2005, 03:19 PM

i would take the glock 18

http://www.glock.com/g18.htm

jonoboy · September 27, 2005, 02:18 AM

Narrowed it down to a few,

F2000
UMP
Tavor CTAR-21
Walther WA2000
Sako TRG-42

No, ya know what? screw it! I want em all!

CypherNinja · September 27, 2005, 02:22 AM

For some reason, I've always wanted a FAMAS.

If not that, then the G36, P90, and Bizon are all tied for second.

czc3513 · September 27, 2005, 03:08 AM

FAMAS G2 SMG

Clint50 · September 28, 2005, 04:18 PM

Bren in .308cal
FN M249
Browning 1918A3 BAR
H&K MP5SD
Mini Uzi

Steamboatsig · September 29, 2005, 01:08 PM

I would get an XD.

March 18, 2005, 09:02 PM	#102
guy sajer Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 329	Nice history lesson Johnny . The WWII smg's are too cool I didn't win a contest , but I am waiting on my transfer to clear on a Guide Lamp M3 . She's a sweety ! I'll post some pics in about 3-4 months There's no way it should take that long to transfer ! They have a photo and print cards . I've owned the MP40 and Reising smgs . Just have an M1 Savage from 1942 left . I've wanted a Grease Gun for years ! Found a deal I friend of mine was driver in an Abrams in the first Gulf War . He said they had a Grease Gun in their tank . __________________ Mitch Please support Crimson Trace Grips , Mossberg and Beretta . They support our troops .

March 24, 2005, 09:37 PM	#104
RangerWannabe Junior Member Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 8	any gun, eh? I would have to go with an M3A1 "grease gun". how can you go wrong with a .45 subgun?

March 25, 2005, 07:42 PM	#107
stephen426 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Posts: 3,840	Thanks Johnny. I'd still think the M3 from BMW is better although having a full auto M3 grease gun could allow you to easily jack one (hell, you could jack a Ferrari or Lambo for that matter!). Thanks for the history lesson. __________________ The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency!

March 29, 2005, 01:23 AM	#109
MTMilitiaman Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2004 Location: NW Montana Posts: 1,875	An M2 Lightweight or a Krebs AK. __________________ "...nothing says 'I WILL shoot every last one of you before you have time to reconsider your poor choices in life' like an AK." ~Dave R.

April 15, 2005, 11:30 AM	#111
luchs Member Join Date: April 9, 2005 Posts: 28	my first choice is a MG42/59 in 7,62x51 that have the advantage to use the NATO links... the second is a good BREN in 7,62x51 for the SMg MAB 38 and or in semiauto a BT 96.. for a rifle M16A2 or old good FAL BM 59 italalpini.. Last edited by luchs; April 16, 2005 at 04:23 AM.

March 18, 2005, 07:53 PM	#101
Johnny Guest Moderator in Memoriam Join Date: August 28, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 4,123	stephen426 - - An apt question, and happily, one I can answer off the top of my head. US Submachine Gun M3 - - Dubbed the "Grease Gun" from a real similarity to the auto garage tool from the olden days prior to sealed bearings. Both the US and Britian were inspired by the German MP38 and MP40 machine pistols, and it took a long time to manufacture a Thompson SMG. Britian went with the Sten (Shephard + Turpin + ENfield, which is worthy of a lengthy entry in its own right. The US originated the M3. Both made extensive use of sheet metal stampings and screw machines, with milling only on the bolt. The M3 (and later M3A1) were mostly manufactured by the Guide Lamp Division of GeneralMotors, a plant with lots of expreience in metalstampings. They were cal. .45 ACP (though easily converted to 9mm, by substitution of the bolt, barrel, and magazine) and all had collapsible wire stocks. They used a heavy 30 round magazine and had a rather slow rate of fire - - around 400 -- 450 rpunds per minute. The M3 had a crank-like handle on the right side to retract the bolt, while the M3A1 simply provided a finger hole in the bolt. The "safety" was the ejection port cover which locked the bolt in place. By the end of WWII, the M1A1 Thompson SMG was totally out of production, supplanted by the M3A1, though some TSMGs remained in US service into the Korean war. M3A1, from ca. 1944. Both the M3 and M3A1 were usually seen without the flash hider. Best, Johnny

March 19, 2005, 09:59 PM	#103
2400 Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 389	Stoner 63A

March 25, 2005, 01:17 AM	#105
LuckyInKentucky Junior member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Hills of Kentucky Posts: 35	Gimme an German MG42 and let me go 'chuck some rocks' down at Knob Creek Gun Range !

March 25, 2005, 06:43 PM	#106
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	The next best thing to an M240

March 25, 2005, 07:49 PM	#108
Rpn1984 Junior member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Posts: 72	p90 or a hk ump

March 29, 2005, 07:58 PM	#110
futureforcewarrior22 Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: OH Posts: 38	A British L1A1 SLR, automatic capable, with a few 30 rounders and an M203 under the barrel, plus a couple hundred rounds of 40mm HEDP.

April 15, 2005, 05:45 PM	#112
Andrew LB Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2005 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 285	I'd probbaly go for an M-16a2 or an M-14a1. I've shot both in their semiautomatic varieties and they were both great fun. I also recently shot an M-17 Bullpup and thought it was a great rifle. Some random guy at the range let me pop off 30 rounds with his after i asked what the rifle was. He was really cool, i didn't ask to shoot it... he simply offered. Definately something i wasn't going to pass up.

April 15, 2005, 05:51 PM	#113
carolinaflats Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2005 Location: Charleston,SC Posts: 165	Hk Mp5sd :d

April 21, 2005, 08:08 PM	#114
panzer426 Member Join Date: April 16, 2005 Posts: 78	dont know what it is but the huge truck mounted full auto belt fed at the beginning of the movie "tremors 3", or the em guns from "eraser" (not sure if they were full auto though?)

April 21, 2005, 08:56 PM	#115
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	If it were at all legal, a P90. (How are they worthless?) Since they're not...a Bizon in 9mm? That would be FUN to trick out...get a more comfortable grip, mod in a collimator sight, replace the stock with something sturdier...

April 21, 2005, 09:13 PM	#116
panzer426 Member Join Date: April 16, 2005 Posts: 78	p90 WOULD be fun

April 21, 2005, 09:28 PM	#117
panzer426 Member Join Date: April 16, 2005 Posts: 78	I know its not a full auto but...Steyr AMR/IWS 2000 http://www.world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm general dynamics 12.7mm http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg39-e.htm

April 28, 2005, 08:12 PM	#118
Thx1138 Member Join Date: April 13, 2005 Posts: 20	Free Weapon I would like an ARES Shrike with 75 grain blended metal ammo.

April 29, 2005, 01:11 AM	#119
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	Hmm... ...a modified G43 with a muzzle brake, scope, and a modern stock with adjustable pull and cheekrest? I think I'll stand by my Bizon or P90 statements, though.

April 29, 2005, 03:19 PM	#120
just one question Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 213	read i would take the glock 18 http://www.glock.com/g18.htm

September 27, 2005, 02:18 AM	#121
jonoboy Member Join Date: April 29, 2005 Location: Western Washington Posts: 85	Narrowed it down to a few, F2000 UMP Tavor CTAR-21 Walther WA2000 Sako TRG-42 No, ya know what? screw it! I want em all! __________________ Fear the Beast Within

September 27, 2005, 02:22 AM	#122
CypherNinja Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 114	For some reason, I've always wanted a FAMAS. If not that, then the G36, P90, and Bizon are all tied for second. __________________ -"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin -"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison "Violent videogames don't make kids violent. Hard games do."

September 27, 2005, 03:08 AM	#123
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	FAMAS G2 SMG __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

September 28, 2005, 04:18 PM	#124
Clint50 Junior Member Join Date: September 27, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 3	Bren in .308cal FN M249 Browning 1918A3 BAR H&K MP5SD Mini Uzi __________________ Clint "If you can't baffle them with BS,riddle them with bullets!"

September 29, 2005, 01:08 PM	#125
Steamboatsig Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 170	I would get an XD.

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