Unintentional discharge?

Tech 1 · April 9, 2000, 12:24 AM

I have been told that my Remington 870 Police Magnum can unintentionally fire while the safety is engaged if it is dropped or jarred. If this is the case, then how much of a blow would cause this discharge? Any known example(s) of this occurring?

Any help would be appreciated.

Tech 1

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Dave McC · April 9, 2000, 05:41 AM

Correctional Officers commit atrocities of gun handling with tower weapons. I've seen a couple dropped 30 feet onto concrete that did not discharge or the sear fail.

I've not ever heard of this weapon firing after a drop, but then I'm only 53,and only been shooting 870s since around 1958.

Coronach · April 9, 2000, 10:03 AM

Well, i guess we'll have to look for someone with more experience to answer this question, no?

Mike

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Tackleberry · April 9, 2000, 04:53 PM

I just covered this in a class I taught yesterday.

The 870 safety is a trigger block only... it is designed to enhibit the rearward movement only.

If you can get ahold of a cross section of the action you will see that the "trigger sear" is NOT holding the hammer from falling. There is a small arm/mechanism that the trigger moves/pivots (this mechanism has a small return spring to move it back into place for the hammer to be cocked again) This arm/mechanism is what releases the hammer. All I can say is that the gun has to be jarred on the correct angle.

I remember hearing about a duck hunter's wife attempting to sue Remington for Wrongful Death after he tryed to "club" a wounded duck with aloaded 870. Unsuccessful.

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Tech 1 · April 10, 2000, 09:48 AM

Tackleberry thanks for your reply.

by the way... have you lined up a groundhog in you sights this year?

John

Tackleberry · April 10, 2000, 08:50 PM

Hah,Hah,Hah,Hah.......... LOL!!

How are ya doin' Tech1 ???????

Welcome aboard!

Alas no,....... but the call for target rich enviroments has gone out.

The scamatic diagram I spoke of is in the Non-restricted book, Chapter 5 or 6??

Stay Safe talk to ya soon.
Tack

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Life is tough...it's alot tougher if you don't know how to shoot.

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April 9, 2000, 12:24 AM	#1
Tech 1 Junior Member Join Date: April 5, 2000 Posts: 5	I have been told that my Remington 870 Police Magnum can unintentionally fire while the safety is engaged if it is dropped or jarred. If this is the case, then how much of a blow would cause this discharge? Any known example(s) of this occurring? Any help would be appreciated. Tech 1 "I've never lost. I just ran out of time to implement my options." -Vincent T. Lombardi [This message has been edited by Tech 1 (edited April 10, 2000).]

April 9, 2000, 05:41 AM	#2
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Correctional Officers commit atrocities of gun handling with tower weapons. I've seen a couple dropped 30 feet onto concrete that did not discharge or the sear fail. I've not ever heard of this weapon firing after a drop, but then I'm only 53,and only been shooting 870s since around 1958.

April 9, 2000, 10:03 AM	#3
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	Well, i guess we'll have to look for someone with more experience to answer this question, no? Mike ------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

April 9, 2000, 04:53 PM	#4
Tackleberry Member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 72	I just covered this in a class I taught yesterday. The 870 safety is a trigger block only... it is designed to enhibit the rearward movement only. If you can get ahold of a cross section of the action you will see that the "trigger sear" is NOT holding the hammer from falling. There is a small arm/mechanism that the trigger moves/pivots (this mechanism has a small return spring to move it back into place for the hammer to be cocked again) This arm/mechanism is what releases the hammer. All I can say is that the gun has to be jarred on the correct angle. I remember hearing about a duck hunter's wife attempting to sue Remington for Wrongful Death after he tryed to "club" a wounded duck with aloaded 870. Unsuccessful. ------------------ Be Safe, Be Trained Life is tough...it's alot tougher if you don't know how to shoot.

April 10, 2000, 09:48 AM	#5
Tech 1 Junior Member Join Date: April 5, 2000 Posts: 5	Tackleberry thanks for your reply. by the way... have you lined up a groundhog in you sights this year? John

April 10, 2000, 08:50 PM	#6
Tackleberry Member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 72	Hah,Hah,Hah,Hah.......... LOL!! How are ya doin' Tech1 ??????? Welcome aboard! Alas no,....... but the call for target rich enviroments has gone out. The scamatic diagram I spoke of is in the Non-restricted book, Chapter 5 or 6?? Stay Safe talk to ya soon. Tack ------------------ Be Safe, Be Trained Life is tough...it's alot tougher if you don't know how to shoot.