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February 13, 2012, 12:02 PM | #1 |
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260 Grain .454 Casull...Can't Reach The Velocity
I have been trying to find a general-purpose load using the Lee .452-255-RF. The trick is this load will be fired from a 2.58" barreled Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan .454 Casull.
LEE 452-255-RF.jpg I have been running mainly 10 grains of IMR Trail Boss under this bullet. My average velocities are hovering only in the 840's FPS. I have read where using a 270 SAA bullet has reached 1,000 FPS with the same powder from the same gun. What am I doing wrong? http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SRHAlaskan454.htm **Is that enough velocity to be considered a woods-protection round with this design of bullet? **Any suggestions to get it faster? **Are there any suggestions on an alternate powder? **Any steps I need to consider in the construction of this round? Thanks........
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February 13, 2012, 02:08 PM | #2 |
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I shoot a 240 grain .429 bullet in my Ruger Blackhawk at about 970 fps (.44 speical) and about 1300 fps (.44 magnum) and find that either of those loads are plenty for a general purpose woods load. I shoot a lot more of the .44 Special loads than I do the magnum loads.
I would think that your bullet traveling at the mid 800s would be potent medicine for anything we find in these central Louisiana woods. You might load that Casull with 10 grains of Unique and see if that doesn't increase the velocity a little bit. |
February 13, 2012, 02:22 PM | #3 |
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10 grains of Unique.........
Hello Paw Paw...I did that just this past Saturday. Well, I actually loaded only 4 rounds as an after thought. It did surprise me, though. The 4 rounds averaged 1,004 FPS.
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February 13, 2012, 06:25 PM | #4 |
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You might also give some 2400 a try. Somewhere around 18-20grs should put you just past the 45 Colt +P loads for Rugers or Contenders, and in the 454 case should work out pretty well. I am shooting the 300gr Lee from my Raging Bull with 20grs and getting right at 1100fps from the 8.375" barrel. I must add it is a peach to shoot as well. Might be a tad more in your shorter barrel, and lighter revolver though.
I'm using the same mold to drop mine at 260grs from my alloy, and using 10gr of Unique in my Ruger 45 Colt. Velocity is right at 1000fps from the 7.5" barrel. Very sweet load for sure.
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Are you having any problems with leading? What lube are you using? What do your cylinder throats mic at as compared to bullets you are loading? Thanks
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February 16, 2012, 01:16 AM | #6 |
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It's going to be very hard to get more than 1,000 fps out of that short barrel without a lot of blast and recoil.
Why not go to a heavier bullet, say 300-325 grains, and keep the velocity down around 900. The heavier bullet, especially with a strong crimp, will help your powder burn better while still being controllable in recoil. |
February 16, 2012, 07:33 AM | #7 |
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black mamba....
I was considering that option...and, still am. That would be a good balance of weight and velocity. However, I have a 360 grain mold that I am getting an average of 940 FPS from the snub-nose with 22.5 grains of W296. So, I am having some problems justifying buying another mold.
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This said, I took a tip from a fellow on Castboolits, and have swabbed the clean bores with a patch smeared with Alox to sort of prelube them prior to firing any rounds through them. It worked with the 454 so I figure it can't hurt with any of the rest. I have tried a couple of different mixes, one of the better ones was Felix Lube, and using straight Alox, but didn't like the tackyness or the longer dry time. I have since been using the 45/45/10 formula and not had any issues. I lube once before sizing and again after, on both the plain base and the GC'ed versions. Nothing has presented itself with either. On the throats, again to be honest, I haven't got anything to accurately measure them other than calipers, and I have found they aren't very reliable. I initially was shooting some Cast Performance 265's through the 454 and while GC'ed they did not show any issues even when driven over 30grs of 296. From the 8.375" barrel they rocked along easily at around 1700fps. When I checked their diameter they were sized to .452 so that is where I went with everything else I have run through it. In similar fashion, I had some Oregon Trail bullets in 200 and 250gr which I loaded up initially in the 45 Colt just to go shoot the thing when I first got it. After close to 100 rounds through it, all that was really noted was a bunch of powder residue and possibly a few pieces of lead on a patch, but the bore came squeaky clean with hardly any work at all. Since, I have run several hundred of my own boolits in various weights through it with similar results. While some of the softer alloy I tried, did leave a bit more what I call traces, none of them have left what I would call abnormal leading. I shot some from my 41 years ago which I know for a fact was severe, and actually had tinsel looking strings hang out the muzzle after only a couple of shots.
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February 26, 2012, 07:10 PM | #9 |
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Ruger SRH Alaskan .454 Casull....Range Report---02-25-2012---BLUE DOT POWDER
Just thought I would pass this on. I was only able to do a small sampling with Blue Dot because I was called into work before I could complete my planned loading session. I will load up some more before too long.
Lee 452-255-RF weighing at 262-264 grains 15.0 grains FPS: 989 975 1007 1040 ------ Ave- 1002 FPS SD- 28.09 15.5 grains FPS: 1032 1043 1033 1012 ------ Ave- 1030 FPS SD- 12.99 16.0 grains FPS: 1128 1105 1085 1060 ------ Ave- 1094 FPS SD- 28.95 16.5 grains FPS: 1086 1107 1124 1123 ------ Ave- 1110 FPS SD- 17.8 No leading at all. All easy to shoot. Oddly enough, the tightest grouping was the 16 grain string with a SD of 28.95. I am going to include that load again in the next batch of shooting to see if that can be replicated. Will be upping the load in the next session. 17 - 18 grains??? Thanks
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February 26, 2012, 10:03 PM | #10 |
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Are you using gas checks?
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February 26, 2012, 10:09 PM | #11 |
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No Checks
This is a plain-base bullet. No checks.
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February 26, 2012, 10:14 PM | #12 |
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Have you thought about using them? I was wondering if you could get away with pushing your bullets faster if you used them, since that is your goal.
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February 27, 2012, 07:26 AM | #13 |
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Gas Check Mold
Actually, I would like to stick with plain-based molds, for now. I am not against the idea of a checked mold...but, I just want to see what I can do with this, first.
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February 27, 2012, 12:49 PM | #14 |
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At those velocities, you are basically using your Alaskan as a .45 Colt. It's kind of a snooze when I fire .45 Colt out of my fulll sized Super Redhawk compared to full house jacketed .454.
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February 27, 2012, 12:50 PM | #15 |
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That 360 grain bullet looks beautiful--any reason why you don't want to use that? Maybe too heavy for what you want?
If it were me, Blue Dot would be one of the last powders I'd use for any kind of normal use load. I've had the unburned flakes find their way under the ejector star and tie up the gun way too often. I've even had it happen in some pretty stout .357 and .44 mag loads with heavy bullets--combinations where you'd think the higher pressure wouldn't leave much in the way of unburned powder flakes. If you're still looking for powder recommendations, I'd probably try Power Pistol or 2400. Power Pistol wouldn't give you much case fill but I'd still try it and see how it performs. |
February 27, 2012, 07:22 PM | #16 |
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A Beautiful Bullet
AlaskaMike,
Please see http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...88#post4980588 . I love that bullet. I think in the Deep South there is not much need for it, though. However, if that bullet at roughly 950 FPS, is not considered over-kill here I may start using it more often.
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Update: More Range Time With Ruger SRH Alaskan .454 Casull and Blue Dot Powder
03-03-2012
I had time to put more rounds down range. Again, it was the Lee 452-255-RF, water quenched, dropping from the mold at 262-264 grains. Lube was a mix of Lee Liquid Alox and Penetrol. No leading was noted. Some of the lube could be seen smeared in the bore but cleaned out very quickly. 16.0 grains FPS: 1105 1144 1119 1101 1102 ------ Ave- 1,114 FPS SD- 18.2 17.0 grains FPS: 1140 1186 1174 1136 1162 ------ Ave- 1,159 FPS SD- 21.5 17.5 grains FPS: 1201 1199 1190 1219 1160 ------ Ave- 1,193 FPS SD- 21.6 Hope this is helpful to someone. Thanks
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Unique and Lee 452-255-RF
Here are some numbers with Unique.
Lee 452-255-RF...264 grains, plain-base, 10.5 grains Unique, LLA mixed with Penetrol. FPS 977 1000 940 951 965 968 ----- Ave-966.8 Lee 452-255-RF...264 grains, plain-base, 11 grains Unique, LLA mixed with Penetrol. FPS 1022 1044 1040 1003 1020 992 ----- Ave-1020
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QuickLoad provides some relative options to consider
Cartridge: .454 Casull Magnum (SAAMI) Bullet: .452, 255, LEE 452-255-RF Useable Case: 31.921 grain H2O Cartridge OAL: 1.680 inch = 42.67 mm Barrel Length: 2.5 inch Matching Maximum Pressure: 56,875 psi Code:
Powder Wt(gr) %fill V(fps) %Burn Norma R123 xxx 102 1204 91 POWER PISTOL xxx 91 1202 96 Accurate No.9 xxx 91 1194 82 Vihtavuori 3N38 xxx 103 1191 92 Vihtavuori 3N37 xxx 92 1170 100 Vihtavuori N350 xxx 95 1167 100 Alliant HERCO xxx 105 1164 100 Alliant UNIQUE xxx 95 1152 100 Vihtavuori N340 xxx 92 1136 100 H-Universal xxx 89 1115 100 Vihtavuori N330 xxx 87 1110 100 Acc Solo 1250 xxx 95 1108 100 Acc Nitro 100 xxx 93 1087 100 GREEN DOT xxx 94 1085 100 Vihtavuori N320 xxx 88 1076 100 Acc Solo 1000 xxx 93 1075 100 Alliant RED DOT xxx 98 1066 100 Hodgdon Clays xxx 93 1018 100 . Last edited by mehavey; March 6, 2012 at 09:11 PM. |
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