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January 27, 2014, 06:23 PM | #26 |
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You shoot enough butcher hogs or steers sooner or later you'll get one that a.22 won't penetrate their skull I don't care how perfect your bullet placement is.Another thing when it does they are not just stunned they are dead .
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January 27, 2014, 07:33 PM | #27 |
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Snyper, your application of Physics and English are on par with one another.
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January 27, 2014, 07:45 PM | #28 |
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Too many variables to come up with a definitive answer to this question. Without getting insane, bigger is better always. I did a European mount of a feral boar I shot once. It was about 400 lbs and I had to shoot it through the chest 3 times with a 240 gr. .44 mag before it gave up and fell down. I saved the skull, because it had another bullet hole through the front of the skull where it had been shot with what should have been a killing bullet slightly above and centered to it's eyes. The lower part of the skull showed some deformation where the spinal column met the skull, so apparently this hog was wounded at an early age and kept growing afterward. It appeared to me that the bullet must have passed through the brain and into the body at one point in it's life.
The hole in it's head shows evidence of the bone attempting to grow back! Perhaps a larger bullet would have done enough damage to finish the job but we will never know. |
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Will Lowman borrowed an image from THR. Actually, I believe he probably borrowed it from Flintknapper's monumental thread there. Be that as it may be, if a person made the shot shown in Lowman's image, it would have been bad had it been on boar, bear, deer, bobcat, coyote, or a person. Ideally, you want your angle of incidence (impact trajectory) to be as close to perpendicular to the impacted surface as possible if it is on the head. I have made several shots that impacted just about where the bullet did in Lowman's borrowed image...and the bullets did their job and produced instant kills. Simply put, when making such a frontal shot, you don't shoot when the head is up unless you want to risk a glancing blow. Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI0l29YGA-c
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January 27, 2014, 10:56 PM | #30 | |
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January 28, 2014, 04:29 PM | #31 | |
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I'm sorry you don't understand what I stated Don't be mad at me beause you couldn't make a killing shot on a close range downed animal, due to poor shot placement
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January 28, 2014, 05:08 PM | #32 | |
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January 28, 2014, 08:01 PM | #33 | |
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You just have to make sure you can hit them in the right spot
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January 28, 2014, 08:12 PM | #34 |
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"How can you shoot an animal to only knock it out. ? "
As pointed out several times, a bullet through the forehead stuns the animal. "Another thing when it does they are not just stunned they are dead" That depends on what you consider DEAD. The animal's heart is still beating. That's why I stated that cutting the throat(blood loss) is what actually kills. |
January 28, 2014, 09:45 PM | #35 |
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Snyper A hit is a hit. A miss is a miss. Not much area for opinion there.
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January 29, 2014, 07:52 AM | #36 |
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Mobuck do you think if you don't stick them in a couple hours they we up and running around.If it only stunned em why the rush to stick them.Yes the heart pumps blood and they trash around for awhile.Once in a while it will just stun them you can tell right away by how they react to the shot.
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You can play all the word games you like but it still comes back to poor shot placement in the end A bad hit is the same as a miss
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January 29, 2014, 06:34 PM | #39 |
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Your first post said nothing about missing a "goal." You said the shots missed the the animal.
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January 29, 2014, 06:35 PM | #40 |
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well I will tell you that there is a big difference between a hog and a deer. I've butchered pigs before and tried the handgun put down. the first time we attempted with a 22 mag and all that served was to knock the pig out... and man did we get it when he woke back up!
the next time we went with a 38 SP and it went right in. last fall I put my deer down with a 9mm at 50 yards and that was a through and through. granted that was a average(for idaho) whitetail doe and I was using a carbine.
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January 29, 2014, 07:13 PM | #41 |
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First hand experience: 9mm, 38 super, 40, 357 all penetrated a hog skull no problem.
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January 30, 2014, 08:35 AM | #42 | |
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The end result remains the same
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January 30, 2014, 11:16 AM | #43 |
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Argh. Enough for this go-round.
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