RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Combo

Servant · December 31, 2011, 10:32 AM

I had asked some questions about de-crimping military brass, and this was highly recommended (either here or somewhere else). I was about to bid on it on ebay, and did a last ditch search, and found it at midway for 1/2 price....thought I would share the deal with anyone else that was looking as I was. If you have this, what do you think about it?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/447...t-swager-combo

hornady · December 31, 2011, 10:45 AM

I use the RCBS primer pocket swag and I think it is great. Unlike the reamer type you get a much more uniformed pocket. It can not be used with a progressive press, It also will not work with my Redding big boss press you need the standard ram single stag press for this application.

compglock17 · December 31, 2011, 04:45 PM

Just ordered mine from Midway as well! Cant wait to give it a try, I have about 4000 cases ready and waiting!

Fleet · December 31, 2011, 06:50 PM

It also will not work with a Lee "C" frame press. There's not enough frame material in front of the press ram to support the sleeve that pops the swaged cases off the swaging stud. Works great with a Rock Chucker, though.

flashhole · December 31, 2011, 07:07 PM

It won't work with the Lee Classic Cast or the Lee Classic Turret. That's a great price though. It works fine on my Redding Ultramag.

federali · December 31, 2011, 07:12 PM

I use the RCBS swaging tool on with my Rockchucker. Great combo. Reaming primer pockets with a hand tool works but takes way too long.

deepcore · December 31, 2011, 07:18 PM

Will it work in a Forster Co-Ax?

flashhole · December 31, 2011, 07:29 PM

It will if you outfit the Co-Ax with a conventional shell holder.

Edward429451 · December 31, 2011, 07:32 PM

The thing to watch out for when using the RCBS primer pocket swager is to be very careful to separate your brass by headstamp, and if using military brass this means to separate by year also. If you do not then you will bend the support rod which goes inside the case.

What happens is different lots of brass have differing thicknesses in the web area of the case (where the support rod goes) and when you get a thick one the rod which supports it will bend and then you are done swaging primer pockets for the day...

compglock17 · December 31, 2011, 07:41 PM

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The thing to watch out for when using the RCBS primer pocket swager is to be very careful to separate your brass by headstamp, and if using military brass this means to separate by year also. If you do not then you will bend the support rod which goes inside the case.

Edward, this is very interesting! Can you elaborate on this? How do I know which cases can be used and which will damage the rod? Do you know if RCBS makes different rods for different brass thickness? Very glad you posted this before I messed up and just went at it! I will be doing .223 brass if that helps you answer.

flashhole · December 31, 2011, 08:39 PM

wrong text ... deleted

mjm · December 31, 2011, 10:04 PM

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? How do I know which cases can be used and which will damage the rod? Do you know if RCBS makes different rods for different brass thickness?

It is the same rode for all 5.56. It is all about ajusting the rod for each thickness. Sorting by headstamp and even year is important. Attention to detail will help avoid bending the rod.

jepp2 · December 31, 2011, 10:09 PM

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The thing to watch out for when using the RCBS primer pocket swager is to be very careful to separate your brass by headstamp, and if using military brass this means to separate by year also. If you do not then you will bend the support rod which goes inside the case.

You need to do this regardless of what type swage you use for best results (Dillon or RCBS). With Dillon you may not bend the pin, but it will over/under swage the brass. With the RCBS it will not bend the rod if you use some feel, but for quicker sizing it pays to sort the brass.

I have swaged over 20K rounds on my RCBS swage an never bent the rod. A couple of things that will help you use your new tool.

1. Make sure you follow the directions and thread the rod all the way into the housing.
2. Adjust for the web thickness and use some "feel" on the handle as you operate the press. Once you get everything set, you can work through brass rapidly.
3. I sanded and polished the stud that actually swages the primer pocket. I found it takes much less effort to extract the stud from the brass if you do this. Until I did this it took a lot of force and sudden impact to cause the brass to release. Some folks use a bit of Imperial sizing wax on the stud to assist with the release.

I have a nearly new Dillon sitting in the box because I just like the job the RCBS swage does. But realize most folks strongly prefer the Dillon. The RCBS is a fine tool, just learn how to use it. I also use it on brass with tight primer pockets (like S&B) that aren't swaged, but still benefit from using the tool.

Lemmon · January 1, 2012, 12:54 AM

I have the RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Combo and it at first did not work with my Classic Cast single stage press due to the size and height of the ram. Called RCBS and the young lady sent me at no charge a larger cup that goes over the ram and shell holder that works fine with my Classic Cast. May not work with the lee turret though.

My Experience with RCBS has been Great.... Good Company and great products and exceptional service. Happy New Year 2012

Lemmon

Servant · January 1, 2012, 07:23 PM

Well shoot. I have the lee turret press, but I do have the hand held press also, will this work for them? Also the turret I have is not the classic but the deluxe. Will it work with this?

flashhole · January 1, 2012, 07:53 PM

Lemmon - thanks for the info. I didn't even know RCBS made a larger cup. I wonder why they have two sizes. I will definately contact them.

Scimmia · January 2, 2012, 03:33 AM

It's available to cheap right now because it's being replaced. The Primer Pocker Swager Combo - 2 comes with stronger rods to help prevent bending and resigned swager heads.

flashhole, they have two sizes because some presses wouldn't have room for the larger one, while some presses need the larger one to clear the ram.

Get them while you can, just be careful with the rods!

thump_rrr · January 2, 2012, 05:38 AM

I Swaged 6000 .223 over the Christmas holidays alone.
I never separated any of my brass and have never run into any issues bending the rod.

If you read the instructions the rod must be screwed in completely and there is no adjustment needed.
The easiest way to use the tool is to push the casing upwards till it fits over the rod the raise the ram.
If you sit the casing on the stud and try to get it to pass over the rod by raising the ram you will most likely damage the case.

Servant · January 2, 2012, 08:37 AM

here's a youtube video of it being used:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzUp...A25D67E745256C

December 31, 2011, 10:32 AM	#1
Servant Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 116	RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Combo I had asked some questions about de-crimping military brass, and this was highly recommended (either here or somewhere else). I was about to bid on it on ebay, and did a last ditch search, and found it at midway for 1/2 price....thought I would share the deal with anyone else that was looking as I was. If you have this, what do you think about it? http://www.midwayusa.com/product/447...t-swager-combo

December 31, 2011, 04:45 PM	#3
compglock17 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 103	Just ordered mine from Midway as well! Cant wait to give it a try, I have about 4000 cases ready and waiting! __________________ "You can't miss fast enough to win!" "Smooth is fast if you practice to be fast! Slow is just f__ing slow!" Words of wisdom from C!

December 31, 2011, 07:07 PM	#5
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	It won't work with the Lee Classic Cast or the Lee Classic Turret. That's a great price though. It works fine on my Redding Ultramag. __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war?

December 31, 2011, 07:12 PM	#6
federali Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2011 Location: Nassau County NY Posts: 378	Great tool I use the RCBS swaging tool on with my Rockchucker. Great combo. Reaming primer pockets with a hand tool works but takes way too long. __________________ Int'l Assoc. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors

December 31, 2011, 07:29 PM	#8
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	It will if you outfit the Co-Ax with a conventional shell holder. __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war?

December 31, 2011, 10:45 AM	#2
hornady Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2009 Location: SWPA Posts: 428	I use the RCBS primer pocket swag and I think it is great. Unlike the reamer type you get a much more uniformed pocket. It can not be used with a progressive press, It also will not work with my Redding big boss press you need the standard ram single stag press for this application.

December 31, 2011, 06:50 PM	#4
Fleet Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2011 Posts: 108	It also will not work with a Lee "C" frame press. There's not enough frame material in front of the press ram to support the sleeve that pops the swaged cases off the swaging stud. Works great with a Rock Chucker, though.

December 31, 2011, 07:18 PM	#7
deepcore Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2010 Posts: 364	Will it work in a Forster Co-Ax?

December 31, 2011, 07:32 PM	#9
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	The thing to watch out for when using the RCBS primer pocket swager is to be very careful to separate your brass by headstamp, and if using military brass this means to separate by year also. If you do not then you will bend the support rod which goes inside the case. What happens is different lots of brass have differing thicknesses in the web area of the case (where the support rod goes) and when you get a thick one the rod which supports it will bend and then you are done swaging primer pockets for the day...

December 31, 2011, 08:39 PM	#11
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	wrong text ... deleted __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war? Last edited by flashhole; January 1, 2012 at 02:05 AM.

January 1, 2012, 12:54 AM	#14
Lemmon Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2009 Location: Rural South Carolina Posts: 445	Flashhole: Call RCBS to get larger cup..... I have the RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Combo and it at first did not work with my Classic Cast single stage press due to the size and height of the ram. Called RCBS and the young lady sent me at no charge a larger cup that goes over the ram and shell holder that works fine with my Classic Cast. May not work with the lee turret though. My Experience with RCBS has been Great.... Good Company and great products and exceptional service. Happy New Year 2012 Lemmon

January 1, 2012, 07:23 PM	#15
Servant Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 116	Well shoot. I have the lee turret press, but I do have the hand held press also, will this work for them? Also the turret I have is not the classic but the deluxe. Will it work with this?

January 1, 2012, 07:53 PM	#16
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	Lemmon - thanks for the info. I didn't even know RCBS made a larger cup. I wonder why they have two sizes. I will definately contact them. __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war?

January 2, 2012, 03:33 AM	#17
Scimmia Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2011 Location: Eastern IA Posts: 428	It's available to cheap right now because it's being replaced. The Primer Pocker Swager Combo - 2 comes with stronger rods to help prevent bending and resigned swager heads. flashhole, they have two sizes because some presses wouldn't have room for the larger one, while some presses need the larger one to clear the ram. Get them while you can, just be careful with the rods!

January 2, 2012, 05:38 AM	#18
thump_rrr Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2010 Posts: 403	I Swaged 6000 .223 over the Christmas holidays alone. I never separated any of my brass and have never run into any issues bending the rod. If you read the instructions the rod must be screwed in completely and there is no adjustment needed. The easiest way to use the tool is to push the casing upwards till it fits over the rod the raise the ram. If you sit the casing on the stud and try to get it to pass over the rod by raising the ram you will most likely damage the case.

January 2, 2012, 08:37 AM	#19
Servant Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 116	here's a youtube video of it being used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzUp...A25D67E745256C

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