Colt series 80 vs 70

[wild cat mccane]

sure looked easy at 6:00, hammer didn't even release, just your classic pin forward, the point of the FPB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTe87kATmU

Saying muzzle first is a hard thing to replicate...do the action of holstering your gun without a holster.

[Aguila Blanca]

https://forum.m1911.org/showthread.p...-for-series-80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Qk...ature=youtu.be

[wild cat mccane]

Notice he said "hammer follow" in the video and in that forum, they said the gun always went muzzle first. So that takes out two items spoken about in this thread.

It's inertia of the pin moving forward freely with the hit, like the Garand Thumb Staccato. Hammer didn't cause the fire like implied in the video. And muzzle landing is the natural direction of the gun in free fall if held like a gun.

We can nit pick, but an 80 series doesn't hurt the trigger and a 70 can certainly go off when dropped with safety off. So there is no argument.

[TunnelRat]

Originally Posted by wild cat mccane

And muzzle landing is the natural direction of the gun in free fall if held like a gun.

I don’t have anything again a series 80, but I’m not sure the above is always true. The only time my pistol is muzzle down and in my hand is if I am reholstering or at a low ready. Those are times you could drop a pistol, though I feel like if you miss a holster entirely and drop the pistol something has gone very wrong. Most of the time I hold a pistol the muzzle is parallel to the foot. With the majority of the weight rearward, especially when loaded, I am not sure muzzle first is a given.

[wild cat mccane]

The above forum, the super user of it says it will always land muzzle if directed muzzle.

Then they said twisting is why the grip safety was invented, but that only reduces fire chance by 50%.

To me, it's that you have zero control how it falls and if it fires. Not a dog in the fight, but mechanically, it's not designed to not fire (double negative, I know). If it doesn't have any validation of hurting the trigger...why not want it.

I kinda have a humble opinion, the expensive makers do 70 series not because the triggers are better...it just costs them less.

[Webleymkv]

From a mechanical perspective, the extra tension of the spring and friction of the plunger needed for the Series 80 firing pin block will, necessarily, add some weight to the trigger pull that could be avoided by its omission. That being said, is the weight added enough difference to make a difference? I suppose that would depend on what one's intended use for the pistol and personal definition of a "good" trigger would be. In my own experience, a Series 80 trigger can be sufficiently light enough to be what I'd consider to be a "good" combat trigger, and I do not shoot bullseye competition so a "target" or "competition" trigger is of no benefit to me.

From a safety perspective, consider that numerous pistol manufacturers dating as far back as the 1920's have seen fit to include some sort of mechanical device which blocks the forward movement of the trigger unless the trigger is pulled and/or the manual safety is disengaged, so it would appear that many other handgun designers and manufacturers think it to be worthwhile.