Font size.

k77/22rp · March 16, 2002, 09:03 PM

After TFL went down for about 30 minutes the font is really big. Is this permanent and can I change it myself?

George Hill · March 16, 2002, 09:07 PM

In Internet Explorer, go to VIEW, then FONT SIZE, and then select the one you want.

You can also change the font by going to TOOLS, INTERNET OPTIONS, FONTS... and selecting the font of your choice.

k77/22rp · March 16, 2002, 09:12 PM

Thanks alot George, sure was a fast response.

George Hill · March 16, 2002, 09:13 PM

No Problemo.

TheBluesMan · March 16, 2002, 11:34 PM

The font size is still really screwy for me. I did what George said, but it didn't help exactly.

I can decrease the font size to what it used to be in most areas, but it also decreases the size of the text on all the buttons and here in the text field. This also changes the width of each page, requiring me to pan right to see the right-most columns of each page.

I wonder if something has been changed recently...

**Mike Irwin** · March 16, 2002, 11:39 PM

Blues,

Yep, I'm having the same "problem."

Actually, not much of a problem, as I like the font a little bigger, and if I change the font size globally, it causes problems with some sites I go to.

**Mal H** · March 17, 2002, 12:03 AM

I noticed a font change also this evening after TFL came back from the shutdown. However, in my case the font is smaller and is a different font altogether - looks like Times Roman or a similar font, used to be Arial or Helvetica I think.

Airwolf · March 17, 2002, 12:19 AM

Same thing here on the fonts. I'm running Opera 6.01 on Win98. The change happened after the site came back up. No chanes on my system or at any other sites I visit, just TFL.

**Rich Lucibella** · March 17, 2002, 12:49 AM

It has to do with an old hack that we had. It needs to be customized and reinstalled with each new version of the software.

With this upgrade, we return to the defaults. It may require a change for some of us (me included), but it'll standardize us with 1,000 other working vB sights in future.

Please make the necessary corrections in your browser.
Rich

nashgill · March 17, 2002, 09:28 AM

Font size has increased for me as well. Makes the boards look not so neat and tidy as they did before. Global changes in my browser are a bad idea as that will change other sites visited. If you say it must be this way, then it must be this way. Just another vote for the smaller font size.

Also the visited link text color change is no longer working. Previously when a thread was visited the link text color changed to a different color, it no longer does this making it very difficult to find where you were on the list of threads. Can this be brought back?

Also want to say job well done. I am in the network security field and know what a job you have completed in the past week. Just wanted to express my thanks and gratitude for all your hard work.

Thanks.
nashgill

**Rich Lucibella** · March 17, 2002, 11:05 AM

OK, here's the deal:
I agree that you shouldn't have to create special settings for TFL.

Hacks to the software can be instituted but they are a real PITA to maintain. The vB people are real responsive to suggestions from their customers, and, when it comes to issues like fonts and layout, all vB customers will have the same input.

In short, we need to try to figure out what is in our html that's causing the problem I need help with this, particularly from HTML knowledgeable sources. (Just now, I'm working to get the S.W.A.T. secure server up and running).

Please go to http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php and check to see if you have the same problem. If not, it would be real helpful if someone could compare the source codes to determine the disparity on this end.
Thanks much
Rich

Jorah Lavin · March 17, 2002, 11:23 AM

I glanced at the code, and each part that has text we write is enclosed in class=nf tags, but the class isn't defined in the header STYLE block.

I think I also saw a class=sf style in there. Find the template with the class block, and add the needed .class code, everything will probably go back to Arial...

-Jorah

**Rich Lucibella** · March 17, 2002, 11:47 AM

Jorah-
Can you cut and paste a snippet example of the problem. It'll make it much easier for me to search the templates. "I think I saw" frightens me. I'm not an HTML expert and that could have me tinkering for a full day....a day that I really can't spare.

Thanks for the quick response.

Rich

**Rich Lucibella** · March 17, 2002, 11:54 AM

Belay that order!

Close you browsers, come back and report.
Better?
Rich

nashgill · March 17, 2002, 12:04 PM

Unfortunately not. I don't see a difference. I don't see the style class defined either.

In the top of your html page you have the class section where you define your styles for the pages. There is no 'nf' or 'sf' classes defined. In your body you have the following:
<font class="sf">Maximum size: 204800 bytes</font>
but the class 'sf' is not defined at the top of the page. I think that is what Jorah is speaking about.

Hope that helps. Still not a good explanation, I'm afraid.
nashgill

melglock · March 17, 2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Lucibella
Belay that order!

Close you browsers, come back and report.
Better?
Rich

Nope, fonts are still way too big.

**Rich Lucibella** · March 17, 2002, 12:52 PM

OK-
All templates have now been restored to factory defaults. Let's see if we can trachk this down.

1) Delete your TFL Cookies
http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/cookies.html
2) Compare the fonts here to those at
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php

I believe we may have a setting in our header that's messing up.
Rich

[email protected] · March 17, 2002, 01:25 PM

Rich - This will get you back to what you had before. Go to the admin control panel.

Under Styles, click on the Modify link. Your style sets should show up.

Click on the "Fonts / Colors / Etc" link. Either click on the "Fonts" link, or scroll down to it.

Under Main Font: Face, put "verdana, arial, helvetica" minus the quotes. Under size, put 2

Repeat for Small Font, only under size put 1

Click the save changes button.

That should fix it immediately. If not, I'll get you fixed up. Email me for more info.

melglock · March 17, 2002, 01:25 PM

Just deleted my cookies, didn't help.

Also checked http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php

vbulletin.com's fonts look normal, TFL's fonts are too big.

nashgill · March 17, 2002, 01:25 PM

On the other site they are specifically setting font size on each line.

<font face="verdana,arial,helvetica" size="1" >Find out the latest news about vBulletin here</font>

melglock · March 17, 2002, 01:38 PM

Bingo, fonts are normal now!

nashgill · March 17, 2002, 01:39 PM

Look good to me too!

Thanks Rich and I assume Spark too!

**Rich Lucibella** · March 17, 2002, 01:40 PM

OK-
We have it now...I think.

Spark. Thanks very much. I'm working on about 12 things right now and it's just been too damn long since i did an upgrade. I was looking all over the "options" section for this and completely forgot that it was down there.

Nash:
Your observation is correct. The fix Spark offers should automatically add the font settings for each line....they had been blanked long ago to customize an earlier release.

Others....how's it look now?
Rich

nashgill · March 17, 2002, 01:47 PM

Rich/Spark,
Any idea if there is a way to change the color of the visited link text (VLINK) in the vBulletin software? I am not familiar with the administration so I wanted to ask. Not trying to nitpick but this made it much easier to find your place and figure out what threads had already been read.

Rich,
great job!
nashgill

TheBluesMan · March 17, 2002, 02:21 PM

Font size is back to normal.

Thanks, Rich & Kevin!

March 16, 2002, 09:03 PM	#1
k77/22rp Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2000 Location: Michigan Posts: 577	Font size. After TFL went down for about 30 minutes the font is really big. Is this permanent and can I change it myself? __________________ JeFF D on The High Road

March 16, 2002, 09:07 PM	#2
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	In Internet Explorer, go to VIEW, then FONT SIZE, and then select the one you want. You can also change the font by going to TOOLS, INTERNET OPTIONS, FONTS... and selecting the font of your choice. __________________ MAD OGRE

March 16, 2002, 09:12 PM	#3
k77/22rp Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2000 Location: Michigan Posts: 577	Thanks alot George, sure was a fast response. __________________ JeFF D on The High Road

March 16, 2002, 09:13 PM	#4
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	No Problemo. __________________ MAD OGRE

March 16, 2002, 11:39 PM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,379	Blues, Yep, I'm having the same "problem." Actually, not much of a problem, as I like the font a little bigger, and if I change the font size globally, it causes problems with some sites I go to. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 16, 2002, 11:34 PM	#5
TheBluesMan Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 15, 1999 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,558	The font size is still really screwy for me. I did what George said, but it didn't help exactly. I can decrease the font size to what it used to be in most areas, but it also decreases the size of the text on all the buttons and here in the text field. This also changes the width of each page, requiring me to pan right to see the right-most columns of each page. I wonder if something has been changed recently...

March 17, 2002, 12:03 AM	#7
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	I noticed a font change also this evening after TFL came back from the shutdown. However, in my case the font is smaller and is a different font altogether - looks like Times Roman or a similar font, used to be Arial or Helvetica I think.

March 17, 2002, 12:19 AM	#8
Airwolf Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2001 Location: Southern PRK Posts: 242	Same thing here on the fonts. I'm running Opera 6.01 on Win98. The change happened after the site came back up. No chanes on my system or at any other sites I visit, just TFL.

March 17, 2002, 12:49 AM	#9
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	It has to do with an old hack that we had. It needs to be customized and reinstalled with each new version of the software. With this upgrade, we return to the defaults. It may require a change for some of us (me included), but it'll standardize us with 1,000 other working vB sights in future. Please make the necessary corrections in your browser. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

March 17, 2002, 09:28 AM	#10
nashgill Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2001 Posts: 103	Font size has increased for me as well. Makes the boards look not so neat and tidy as they did before. Global changes in my browser are a bad idea as that will change other sites visited. If you say it must be this way, then it must be this way. Just another vote for the smaller font size. Also the visited link text color change is no longer working. Previously when a thread was visited the link text color changed to a different color, it no longer does this making it very difficult to find where you were on the list of threads. Can this be brought back? Also want to say job well done. I am in the network security field and know what a job you have completed in the past week. Just wanted to express my thanks and gratitude for all your hard work. Thanks. nashgill

March 17, 2002, 11:05 AM	#11
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	OK, here's the deal: I agree that you shouldn't have to create special settings for TFL. Hacks to the software can be instituted but they are a real PITA to maintain. The vB people are real responsive to suggestions from their customers, and, when it comes to issues like fonts and layout, all vB customers will have the same input. In short, we need to try to figure out what is in our html that's causing the problem I need help with this, particularly from HTML knowledgeable sources. (Just now, I'm working to get the *S.W.A.T.* secure server up and running). Please go to http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php and check to see if you have the same problem. If not, it would be real helpful if someone could compare the source codes to determine the disparity on this end. Thanks much Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

March 17, 2002, 11:23 AM	#12
Jorah Lavin Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: Indian Land, SC USA Posts: 593	Rich, I think it is a missing CLASS in your CSS I glanced at the code, and each part that has text we write is enclosed in class=nf tags, but the class isn't defined in the header STYLE block. I think I also saw a class=sf style in there. Find the template with the class block, and add the needed .class code, everything will probably go back to Arial... -Jorah __________________ I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure.

March 17, 2002, 11:47 AM	#13
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Jorah- Can you cut and paste a snippet example of the problem. It'll make it much easier for me to search the templates. "I think I saw" frightens me. I'm not an HTML expert and that could have me tinkering for a full day....a day that I really can't spare. Thanks for the quick response. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

March 17, 2002, 11:54 AM	#14
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Belay that order! Close you browsers, come back and report. Better? Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

March 17, 2002, 12:04 PM	#15
nashgill Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2001 Posts: 103	Unfortunately not. I don't see a difference. I don't see the style class defined either. In the top of your html page you have the class section where you define your styles for the pages. There is no 'nf' or 'sf' classes defined. In your body you have the following: <font class="sf">Maximum size: 204800 bytes</font> but the class 'sf' is not defined at the top of the page. I think that is what Jorah is speaking about. Hope that helps. Still not a good explanation, I'm afraid. nashgill

March 17, 2002, 12:52 PM	#17
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	OK- All templates have now been restored to factory defaults. Let's see if we can trachk this down. 1) Delete your TFL Cookies http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/cookies.html 2) Compare the fonts here to those at http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php I believe we may have a setting in our header that's messing up. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

March 17, 2002, 01:25 PM	#18
[email protected] Wise Guy Join Date: October 10, 1998 Posts: 665	Rich - This will get you back to what you had before. Go to the admin control panel. Under Styles, click on the Modify link. Your style sets should show up. Click on the "Fonts / Colors / Etc" link. Either click on the "Fonts" link, or scroll down to it. Under Main Font: Face, put "verdana, arial, helvetica" minus the quotes. Under size, put 2 Repeat for Small Font, only under size put 1 Click the save changes button. That should fix it immediately. If not, I'll get you fixed up. Email me for more info. __________________ Kevin Jon Schlossberg Owner, BladeForums.com www.bladeforums.com

March 17, 2002, 01:25 PM	#19
melglock Member Join Date: November 17, 2001 Posts: 98	Just deleted my cookies, didn't help. Also checked http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php vbulletin.com's fonts look normal, TFL's fonts are too big.

March 17, 2002, 01:38 PM	#21
melglock Member Join Date: November 17, 2001 Posts: 98	Bingo, fonts are normal now!

March 17, 2002, 01:39 PM	#22
nashgill Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2001 Posts: 103	Look good to me too! Thanks Rich and I assume Spark too!

March 17, 2002, 01:40 PM	#23
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	OK- We have it now...I think. Spark. Thanks very much. I'm working on about 12 things right now and it's just been too damn long since i did an upgrade. I was looking all over the "options" section for this and completely forgot that it was down there. Nash: Your observation is correct. The fix Spark offers should automatically add the font settings for each line....they had been blanked long ago to customize an earlier release. Others....how's it look now? Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

March 17, 2002, 01:47 PM	#24
nashgill Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2001 Posts: 103	Rich/Spark, Any idea if there is a way to change the color of the visited link text (VLINK) in the vBulletin software? I am not familiar with the administration so I wanted to ask. Not trying to nitpick but this made it much easier to find your place and figure out what threads had already been read. Rich, great job! nashgill

March 17, 2002, 02:21 PM	#25
TheBluesMan Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 15, 1999 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,558	Font size is back to normal. Thanks, Rich & Kevin!

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