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January 9, 2010, 07:43 PM | #51 | |||
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I am curious what type of limits of the violence spectrum you are arming yourself against? Three, four, five guys? Is that based on where you live or where you travel? These were the data points Michael used.
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A snubbie is a weapon of convenience. I wouldn't want anyone to inconvenience themselves. Hopefully your gunfight will a single inept BG with a tire iron wanting your cool watch. |
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+10 on Win-lose comment about having your hand on your gun. I doubt that many people can overcome a person pointing a gun at them with a quick draw.
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Putting aside the generally greater reliability and simplicity of operation of revolvers over semi's, a snubby offers: 1) greater retention from grabs. 2) greater reliability during/after retention struggle ( semi's are easily thrown out of battery) 3) greater reliability during a body on body struggle. Assuming the semi isn't thrown out of battery, the odds of a successful cycle and second shot are pretty poor. |
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3 BG with 5 shots. 1 round COM to each, if all three are still coming 2 head shots to the biggest two and then whip the little guys A$$ I mean come on he's got a chest wound.
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smince I think your criticism of 5 shot handguns is not based on any objective criteria so I think I will listen to others who seem to have some of that in their advice. I think if you criticize another's defensive setup you should be able to show why objectively or just say that is your opinion and you feel better with a different one.
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OK, you guys win. Now go stick your heads back in the sand... |
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I can't see why assuming I will stay calm and make my hits count is any more counter productive than you assuming that you need to shoot so fast that hit's are secondary. The fastest way to five hits is five shots bottom line.
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You have been given very concrete, practical reasons demonstrating positions counter to yours, which you choose to ignore. Instead of discussing, you continue to post the above nonsense. If you are a troll.... Bravo! If not, you will be well servered opening your mind and demonstrating respect when putting forth your positions. If you would like to discuss, I would be happy to... if you continue to insult, I will ignore you. |
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When you can carry a Glock 26 and a spare mag in about the same area as a snubbie, it doesn't make sense to limit yourself to 5 rounds. As I said, I'm equipped to handle a lesser situation that a pocket pistol would be fine for. The pocket pistol however may not be up to the task of handling a larger incident. Assuming that you will even be able to get it out of your pocket, as was the topic of this thread originally. |
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There's no law (at least here in KS) that says your gun must stay in your pocket while driving. It also give's another advantage to me I quite frequently wear a hoodie pocket carry in the front pocket of a hoodie will come as a complete shock to Mr BG. and I guarantee you can't beat my first shot from any holster let alone one that's concealed.
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Putting aside the generally greater reliability and simplicity of operation of revolvers over semi's, a snubby offers: 1) greater retention from grabs. 2) greater reliability during/after retention struggle ( semi's are easily thrown out of battery) 3) greater reliability during a body on body struggle. Assuming the semi isn't thrown out of battery, the odds of a successful cycle and second shot are pretty poor. I am not here to change your mind but to expand my horizons through honest debate. |
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smince, win-lose and others on this tangent... you guys have lost focus of the original theory of the thread.
This isn't about the validity of 5-shot snubs. This is about the validity of pocket carry when one considers drawing a primary firearm using a weak-hand draw. Notice how the title of the thread says primary in it? There are a LOT of snub shooters out there that keep the snub on 100% of the time, and in less than desirable situations, they strap on a second gun (G19, Commander, whatever). They still train to go to the snub first, even if the secondary is a better gun (capacity, caliber, accuracy). Because it's the one that's there 100% of the time. Frankly, I don't like carrying in ways that aren't indexed to one hand or the other. Appendix carry has guns pointing at *ahem* things I'd like to keep, SOB carry prints too much and is a PITA in the car. So I do strong side IWB and weak side pocket. That's me. That may change up when I find myself a PF-9 and try it out. This thread is about ambidextrous conceal methods of primary firearms. Weighing that against carrying a BuG. |
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With that said, I am not happy with the tone I have felt compelled to use in this thread and apologize to anyone who may have been put off or offended by it. |
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I know the thread went on a tangent. that's why I added this in the last post:
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Concealed carry is all about compromises. Competing factors such as firepower, reliablilty, capacity, accessibility and concealability must be weighed and different situations call for different solutions. If reliability is your primary concern, you may choose a revolver over a semi. If firepower and capacity are most important, then you may go for a semi with a couple extra mags. Often I am willing to compromise firepower and accesssibilty in favor of concealability, and at those times my LCP in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster is my choice.
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As pax so eloquently stated in post #11:
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Try a course like this:
http://www.suarezinternationalstore....ROD&ProdID=759 or this: http://www.suarezinternationalstore....ROD&ProdID=880 And let me know how that pocket carried 5-shooter works out... |
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Poket carry
The only thing I "Pocket Carry" is a 22lr Stinger. It's priority is right there next to my Mil-Tac folder. Pocket Carry? Tueller Drill?? JMHO
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Smince, I recognize ALL the limitations of pocket carry. I fully accept them... Again, it comes down to values....
I grew up in the Bronx. I've lived in Harlem, Brooklyn, Queens and a bunch of other places. For most of my 20's, I worked in many of the toughest areas NYC, alone, on a daily basis. All of which, I did unarmed (thank you NYC ). As such, situational awareness and personal influence have been my primary defenses. You can not plan on what you will do if caught off guard because truthfully, if caught off guard you have already lost. Pocket carry affords me the greatest flexibility in handling a situation. It allows me: 1) more time to defuse the situation without compromise to readiness 2) the ability to increase readiness without escalating the situation 3) reduce legal implications without compromise to readiness It is all about the concealment of my actions, my friend. It allows ME to maintain greater influence of the situation before I hand it over to the gun. btw, those courses look like they'd be a lot of fun. It would be great if they were offered closer to me. I really enjoy training courses. It is like a mini vacation for me. |
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You just say, I carry a big gun with lots of ammo so I am prepared. Prepared for what? Ninja assault teams? Los Zetas? MS-13? FoF training is fun and I have done some but the scenarios presented there had no relevance to the life I lead. Same with the shoot houses and clearing buildings. Lots of fun but not likely I will participate in those either. What Michael Bane discusses and you won't for some reason is what are you likely to face in civilian self defense situation. You see it is I think important to consider those parameters otherwise the possibilities are so numerous that one would never leave the house without three pistols and a tricked out AR-15 (which I would do as I said before if I lived in Somalia).
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I think this thread has run its course, now that we're down to this type of reasoning:
Everyone who drives faster than I do is a maniac. Everyone who drives slower than I do is an idiot. Closed. pax |
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