Alec Baldwin- Charges dropped :-@

[Paul B.]

Well, with all the hoopla, MSM misinformation ,and gossip, ad nauseum, there remains two questions unasked and unanswered. Who loaded the live round(s) in the gun and why?


Paul B.

[Aguila Blanca]

Originally Posted by Paul B.

Well, with all the hoopla, MSM misinformation ,and gossip, ad nauseum, there remains two questions unasked and unanswered. Who loaded the live round(s) in the gun and why?

Third, and I think related, question is: How did live rounds find their way onto a movie set where there isn't supposed to be any live ammunition?

I think I know the answer to that question, but it's pure speculation on my part so I won't post it.

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"Misfire" is common Media Speak for inadvertent discharge, they don't use Gun Culture English.

They also seem to suck at using standard (American) English or any other kind.

there remains two questions unasked and unanswered. Who loaded the live round(s) in the gun and why?

they aren't unasked. TO date, they are unanswered. And, I think the answers (IF we ever get them) will be important.

As I see it, there are only two possibilities about why, 1) someone was grossly negligent or 2) someone did it with malicious intent.

As to the "who", the suspect list would have to be anyone with access to the firearms and ammo. And that includes anyone who had access to the key(s).

And for that, the possibilities are HUGE.

[stagpanther]

As to the "who", the suspect list would have to be anyone with access to the firearms and ammo. And that includes anyone who had access to the key(s).

And for that, the possibilities are HUGE.

I still think the range of possibilities is rather finite--and the answers to those questions will be rather easy to find--maybe already have. One or more people screwed up, and there is no way passing the buck or "arranging the stories so that they fit" is going to work IMO as people will turn deals to avoid prosecution. All roads lead back to the armorer--or whoever was appointed in her stead to supervise the firearms IMO. My guess, it will end up being a division of criminal responsibility between the armorer not catching (and possibly supplying) the live round and the supervisor who had advised the firearm was cold (I think he already copped a plea).

Baldwin will likely face civil liability charges--but then so might the SAG by extension IMO. The majority of people responding on this tread think he is at least responsible for involuntary manslaughter--and I admit that I initially had the same reaction, but that is because many years of shooting have instinctively ingrained into me [us] to never point a weapon--in any condition--at something I [we] don't intend to destroy. And, in interest of honest transparency, I've had a few accidental discharges in my time and it was only because I was pointing the weapon at the ground or the intended target that I potentially avoided having something like this happen to me. This is directly opposed to film-making tradition where-in time, budgetary constraints and limited actor knowledge in many cases creates a world of "exceptions" to make the use of weapons possible by people who are directed to point weapons at people and pull the trigger--often fast and repeatedly.

Maybe we all share some responsibility? I mean, who doesn't love a good old western movie where the some retread of good guy vs bad guy/vengeance plot drives a never-ending stream of films? I was just thinking the other day we're long overdue for yet another Robinhood or King Arthur remake by the Brits.

[Tom Servo]

As to the "who", the suspect list would have to be anyone with access to the firearms and ammo.

It might be shortened by the knowledge that armorer Gutierrez-Reed admitted to taking some of the firearms off site for live-fire practice shortly before the incident.

[Aguila Blanca]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

It might be shortened by the knowledge that armorer Gutierrez-Reed admitted to taking some of the firearms off site for live-fire practice shortly before the incident.

I don't think we know that.

I remember reading at least one article that reported Ms. Gutierrez-Reed asked the firearms supplier if she could use the guns for plinking when they weren't being used on the set, and that the answer was a definitive "No!" The report said she was told that if she wanted to do any recreational shooting, she would have to use her own guns. The same report said she asked if the supplier would provide some live ammo, and the answer again was "No."

There have been multiple reports that some members of the crew engaged in plinking on or near the set, but I don't think any of those reports have established that the guns used were the prop guns. Clearly someone was shooting live ammo, and someone had to have brought that to the set. It strongly appears that the someone was Ms. Guttierez-Reed ... but I don't think that has been established with certainty. If it has, the supporting facts haven't been publicized.

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Since the state of NM has decided the incident was an accident, their investigation has been focused along those lines. This is an entirely sensible approach and use of resources.

IF it were an accident.

I think it is possible that Baldwin's lawyers might bring up the possibility that putting (at least one) live round into the gun was a deliberate and intentional act.

I know the idea was brought up and discarded shortly after the shooting happened. What if the "new evidence" the DA has isn't some BS about the gun's trigger, but something else, entirely, something that suggests the possibility that the live rounds were intentionally introduced in order to cause an accident? I would think that is something the DA would want to have checked out backwards, frontwards and sideways, to be as certain as possible they are proceeding on the right path.

WE are extremely hampered trying to judge what happened, because WE simply don't have more than a handful of verifiable facts. One fact, that we should not ignore or "work around" is that what Baldwin did meets the legal standard for manslaughter.