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Old October 7, 2018, 01:12 PM   #101
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The range near my home has a highway visible past the berms, seriously
haha , how about in front of the targets

See 1:32 into the video
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Old October 9, 2018, 08:18 AM   #102
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If the rule is "if it hits the ground, it's ours," and just because I'm a word-slicing lawyer, I'd put a tarp down. If it lands on the tarp, it hasn't "hit the ground."
Using the same mindset tho, if the rule is "if it hits the ground" wouldn't that cover the tarp too? Would you not only loose your brass, but the tarp also?

I'm always puzzled, why we as gun owners try to impress upon others how responsible we are, and then come up with rationale like this suggesting to break or bend State/Federal regs/rules. It really puzzles me when it's a moderator or "staff" of a respectable internet forum that is suggesting it to it's members. Makes the words responsible and respectable loose their meaning.

The response to the OP tells us that retrieving your spent brass is a no-no. It didn't tell us why. It did say why the rules aren't posted and that there would be a investigation into the claim of the RO there, cherry-picking. That should be enough. One does not have to do a lengthy search on any of these internet gun forums to find threads about shooting ranges on public land being closed down. The reasons are generally because a few butt orifices think the rules don't apply to them. It's those few butt orifices that ruin it for all those that are responsible and follow the rules. Hard to believe anyone would want to brag about being one of them. But then it's easy to thump your chest and make whatever statements you want on the internet. The anonymity and the lack of follow-up makes so proving such claims impossible.

It's a free public range. Most folks would give their eye teeth to have a nice one within a reasonable distance of their home. Easy for others that don't have to rely on them for their primary shooting, to tell others to abuse that privilege or to challenge their rules. I'd rather we be responsible and tell folks that's the way it is and to show respect for what the state is asking in return for the privilege of shooting there. That's all I ask from others that shoot at my private range. Otherwise they have to find somewhere else.
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Old October 9, 2018, 09:51 AM   #103
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I am planning on going this weekend. Will definitely provide an update to see if they ended putting up any signs or if still word of mouth. Guess will see if the ranger still cherry picks the brass... which I don't doubt they will do so, lol.

I truly believe that both sides have valid points. As I have not been to any of the "stricter" ranges, for me its easy to complain about the one I go to. I guess what irritates me is that the ranger acts like it doesn't apply to them. But then again sometimes cops think that red lights and stop signs don't apply to them either, lol. So guess there are some things we can't do about and just have to deal with it. I guess if I didn't reload, it wouldn't bother me at all. But I do reload so it somewhat does, lol.

Just will see how the hand gun section will go as I do plan on loading those just haven't started yet. Will just have to wait and see until I go there.
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Old October 9, 2018, 10:32 AM   #104
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This thread is full of drama.
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Old October 9, 2018, 12:36 PM   #105
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haha , how about in front of the targets

See 1:32 into the video
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Pretty cool; what was the distance they were shooting?

Saw a photo of a Swiss Schutzenhaus where the entrance driveway came around from behind the 200 M berm and ran parallel to the shooting line of fire. Never an issue.
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Old October 10, 2018, 05:54 AM   #106
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Using the same mindset tho, if the rule is "if it hits the ground" wouldn't that cover the tarp too? Would you not only loose your brass, but the tarp also? . . . .
Perhaps I should have been more specific. Perhaps I should have said "if the brass hits the ground. . . . "

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I'm always puzzled, why we as gun owners try to impress upon others how responsible we are, and then come up with rationale like this suggesting to break or bend State/Federal regs/rules. It really puzzles me when it's a moderator or "staff" of a respectable internet forum that is suggesting it to it's members. Makes the words responsible and respectable loose their meaning. . . . .
At no point did I suggest breaking any law, rule or regulation. Quite to the contrary, I've advocating abiding by the rules, to the letter. Unless left with no other option, I would not go to a range that claimed my brass "if it hits the floor." (Though I admittedly have been to shooting matches where part of the deal was that the range got to keep all of the spent brass. I agreed to it beforehand and don't have a problem with it.) If left with no other option, I'd likely shoot more revolvers and bolt guns to keep my brass, or invest in a brass catcher. If I paid for the brass, it's mine.
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Old October 10, 2018, 12:35 PM   #107
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Manufacturers of components do not make cases for reloaders that know what they are doing, that only hurts a very few reloaders.

I go to the range with no intention of removing brass, I am one of the few reloaders that can appreciate brass that has been fired in trashy old chambers. I want fired brass that is long from the shoulder/datum to the case head.

Rational: I am not a fire former, I am a case former meaning I form first and then fire. What is the cost to the reloader that knows what he is going?

One range allowed me to measure their fired cases for length from the shoulder to the case head. I had little to no interest in cases that were go-gage length, I was only interested in cases that were no-go gage length or close to no-go gage length.

After that there is the 280 Remington case; the 280 Remington case is .051" longer than the 30/06 case when measured from the shoulder of the case to the case head. So when it comes to cutting out all of the case travel the 280 Remington is my go to case.

I know just neck that case up and stick a second shoulder on it; not me because I am a case former and I understand all of that trick stuff shortens the case.

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Old October 10, 2018, 06:15 PM   #108
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an example of why the companies/range owners would like to keep the brass.

https://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/...41QSCI19068001

The auction is closed, it closed at $29,604 for almost 18,000 pounds. Probably once fired LE training or testing brass. That's pretty near the scrap value, I suspect that it's mostly heading to reuse.
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Old October 14, 2018, 09:19 PM   #109
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So I went to the range today and there was no sign anywhere. There was a different ranger there but I did not get any type of no no as I wasn't there to pick up other peoples left over brass. I guess still to be continued...
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Old October 14, 2018, 09:48 PM   #110
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Did you talk to this Ranger and ask what his understanding was of the rule ?
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Old October 14, 2018, 10:53 PM   #111
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I did not... he spent a lot of time at the 200 yds with other people there. I guess the serious reloaders. Rarely saw him pass by much. Probably when he did, I wasn't paying attention to him at all. The original post was from a Saturday I went to (different ranger), Sundays are the days I always go, which is the same guy I always see. But when I was pulling into an empty table, I saw him picking up brass as well. Which he always does. Heck even at one point we both picked up same brass from the same area. I was picking up then he pulled up to where I was at and started picking up. I just told him there was plenty for everyone, lol.
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