Shots Fired! Ruger takes on Heritage... discuss!

reteach · April 17, 2019, 10:50 PM

Over on another forum one of the members noticed that Ruger has copyrighted the name Wrangler. Yes, that name is already in use, but Wrangler jeans and Jeep Wrangler have gotten along fine for a long time.

Has anyone heard of this? It will be fun to guess what they're up to, but even more fun would be hearing from someone who really knows what new thing will be introduced. One of you Firing Line sages please tell us.

**Aguila Blanca** · April 17, 2019, 11:39 PM

Maybe a lever action saddle ring carbine to go along with the Vaquero for cowboy action shooting?

10-96 · April 18, 2019, 01:37 AM

I don't do the SAS games, but I've always wondered why no one has done a modern rendition of the Colt 1877(?) double action cowboy setup. Although the original was famously fragile in it's workings, it does fit the timelines SAS goes by- right? I'd like to see a modern (and modernly reliable) double action themed handgun in .45 Long Colt- or actually in all the commonly used SAS calibers.

CajunBass · April 18, 2019, 06:40 AM

At one time Jeep used an upholstery that looked like blue jean material, and had brass "buttons" with Wrangler name. I guess they did that for a couple of years before switching to a generic brass button, but the name remained.

To stay on topic, I got no idea what the Ruger Wrangler might be.

reteach · April 18, 2019, 09:31 AM

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Maybe a lever action saddle ring carbine to go along with the Vaquero for cowboy action shooting?

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a modern rendition of the Colt 1877(?) double action cowboy setup

I like those guesses very much. I'd be all over either one of those. However, the rumor is strongly in favor of a single action revolver.

TruthTellers · April 18, 2019, 12:06 PM

They're a cheap .22 single action revolver most likely made to compete with Heritage.

https://ruger.com/products/wrangler/models.html

We'll see what price these sell for on Black Friday, the some of the Heritage's are $99 and I don't see Ruger competing with that price wise. Maybe the lowest would be 120-125, but that's paying a bit more for a Ruger and what comes along with that, i.e customer service.

I have my 9 shot Heritage .22/.22Mag combo with adjustable sights and got it for the same price as these new 6 shot Wranglers will sell for.

I'm not impressed, but it's nice to see another option besides just Heritage. Competition is good.

aarondhgraham · April 18, 2019, 03:29 PM

Wow, I just looked at that web page,,,
That is one ugly looking revolver!

Is it just me or does the barrel look to be somewhat fat?

Aarond

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Colorado Redneck · April 18, 2019, 09:11 PM

A matter of perspective.

stinkeypete · April 19, 2019, 11:22 PM

https://ruger.com/products/wrangler/models.htmlhttp://

It looks to me like they rebuilt an old Single Six .22 LR with a new aluminum frame alloy. I love the old style rubber ruger grips.

MSRP $249. 30 oz.. or about 6 oz lighter than the steel frame.

I don't care for the Heritage's goofy looking safety, but the price is sure right. It made them tempting for knocking about.

For just a little more, I'll soon be able to get a Ruger Wrangler. Except I just got back from the toy store. Except so much want!

Marketing has decided it's for beginners. I think it's for pistoleros that want something less costly than a single-10 for a field gun.

Discuss!

Ricekila · April 20, 2019, 12:58 AM

Heres the question ?

Can I stuff a Wrangler in my Wrangler's -- when I drive my Wrangler ?

**Aguila Blanca** · April 20, 2019, 01:07 AM

I thought all Single Sixes had alloy frames.

LeverGunFan · April 20, 2019, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

I thought all Single Sixes had alloy frames.

Technically, steel is an alloy... but I presume you are referring to aluminum alloy. The original Single Six was available with both a steel frame and a special lightweight model with aluminum frame and cylinder. The New Model Single Six introduced in 1973 is only available with a steel frame - unless I've missed a special variation.

223 shooter · April 20, 2019, 07:12 AM

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I thought all Single Sixes had alloy frames.

Only the grip frames are aluminum on the blued Single Sixes with the exception of the Bisley. The stainless versions have all steel grip frames. The "main frame" surrounding the cylinder is steel on all current versions.

Apple a Day · April 20, 2019, 07:38 AM

I want one. I had a Heritage for years, put three gazillion rounds through it, started a number of new shooters on it. I replaced it with a bearcat because it's higher quality. I think the Wrangler will be a good balance of cost and quality plus a ton of fun. I'm definitely going to get one within the next year

TxFlyFish · April 20, 2019, 07:56 AM

Needs MOAR grips where punisher, no step on snek and melon labe

Targa · April 20, 2019, 07:57 AM

Very nice but I would really like to see a lower priced DA .22lr revolver option maybe based off a SP101 or GP100.

CajunBass · April 20, 2019, 08:21 AM

The Wrangler reminds me a lot of the 50th anniversary Single-Six. Same basic gun, but the 50th has a steel frame, and is a lot better finished.

I can assure you, these cost a lot more than $250.00, even way back in the day when it was new.

wild cat mccane · April 20, 2019, 08:37 AM

Heritage has a 9 shot cylinder.
Heritage has 4, 6, 9, and 16 inch barrels.
Heritage has 22 mag.

seeker_two · April 20, 2019, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricekila

Heres the question ?

Can I stuff a Wrangler in my Wrangler's -- when I drive my Wrangler ?

If you can wrangle it.....

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stinkeypete · April 20, 2019, 09:42 AM

Calm down, Wild Cat!

Heritage now has some competition in their market niche. Without doubt, Heritage created that space and good for them.

What I do not expect to see anytime soon is a Ruger Wrangler with adjustable target sights. That would only cannibalize sales from the steel (yea, steel is not pure iron, it’s an alloy) frame single six family. These are frankly too expensive right now.

I want to dress one up to look as much like my bearcat as I can!

**Aguila Blanca** · April 20, 2019, 11:15 AM

I paid $350 for a Single Six convertible back in 2000. I'm sure the price has gone up quite a bit since then. I certainly applaud Ruger doing something to get the price down for a Single Six, although I don't understand why/how an aluminum alloy frame is significantly less expensive than a steel frame. In general, aluminum isn't a cheap material. Zamack would be cheaper, and is entirely adequate for a .22. Back in the 60s I had a German-made, .22 LR cowboy six shooter that had a Zamack frame. I put a lot of rounds through that little gun and it never gave me any problems.

Can anyone explain why the new Wrangler has two lines running around the rear of the cylinder? They detract from the appearance, IMHO, and I can't see that they serve any functional purpose.

**Aguila Blanca** · April 20, 2019, 11:21 AM

WHOA!

https://ruger.com/productImages/2002/detail/2.jpg

The front of the cylinder shows rings around the mouth of each chamber. Clicking on the spec sheet, I see that Ruger says the cylinder and frame are aluminum alloy. Does this mean that the cylinder is made of aluminum, and the chambers are steel sleeves pressed into the aluminum cylinder?

TxFlyFish · April 20, 2019, 11:58 AM

Hmm can’t tell exactly it does kinda look like it. I think heritage is steel cylinder. Well on the plus side ruger will finally have adjustable chamber throats yay!

Chettt · April 20, 2019, 12:05 PM

When Phoenix Arms, Hi Point and Taurus can make money on sub two hundred dollar hand guns, you have to wonder how much profit these larger companies with highly efficient manufacturing make on each sale. I am glad they are successful and profitable but I would bet Ruger could blister pack their LCP, sell it for less than 100 dollars and still make a sizable profit.

TruthTellers · April 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

WHOA!

https://ruger.com/productImages/2002/detail/2.jpg

The front of the cylinder shows rings around the mouth of each chamber. Clicking on the spec sheet, I see that Ruger says the cylinder and frame are aluminum alloy. Does this mean that the cylinder is made of aluminum, and the chambers are steel sleeves pressed into the aluminum cylinder?

It says cylinder frame material, which means the frame around the cylinder, not the cylinder itself. The grip frame is zamak.

The cylinder is not made of aluminum. If it was, this thing would weigh a lot less.

April 17, 2019, 10:50 PM	#1
reteach Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2016 Location: Texas Posts: 379	New Ruger? Over on another forum one of the members noticed that Ruger has copyrighted the name Wrangler. Yes, that name is already in use, but Wrangler jeans and Jeep Wrangler have gotten along fine for a long time. Has anyone heard of this? It will be fun to guess what they're up to, but even more fun would be hearing from someone who really knows what new thing will be introduced. One of you Firing Line sages please tell us.

April 18, 2019, 01:37 AM	#3
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,160	I don't do the SAS games, but I've always wondered why no one has done a modern rendition of the Colt 1877(?) double action cowboy setup. Although the original was famously fragile in it's workings, it does fit the timelines SAS goes by- right? I'd like to see a modern (and modernly reliable) double action themed handgun in .45 Long Colt- or actually in all the commonly used SAS calibers. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

April 18, 2019, 06:40 AM	#4
CajunBass Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Location: North Chesterfield, Virginia Posts: 4,767	At one time Jeep used an upholstery that looked like blue jean material, and had brass "buttons" with Wrangler name. I guess they did that for a couple of years before switching to a generic brass button, but the name remained. To stay on topic, I got no idea what the Ruger Wrangler might be. __________________ For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (NKJV)

April 18, 2019, 12:06 PM	#6
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	They're a cheap .22 single action revolver most likely made to compete with Heritage. https://ruger.com/products/wrangler/models.html We'll see what price these sell for on Black Friday, the some of the Heritage's are $99 and I don't see Ruger competing with that price wise. Maybe the lowest would be 120-125, but that's paying a bit more for a Ruger and what comes along with that, i.e customer service. I have my 9 shot Heritage .22/.22Mag combo with adjustable sights and got it for the same price as these new 6 shot Wranglers will sell for. I'm not impressed, but it's nice to see another option besides just Heritage. Competition is good. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

April 18, 2019, 03:29 PM	#7
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Wow, I just looked at that web page,,, Wow, I just looked at that web page,,, That is one ugly looking revolver! Is it just me or does the barrel look to be somewhat fat? Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

April 17, 2019, 11:39 PM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	Maybe a lever action saddle ring carbine to go along with the Vaquero for cowboy action shooting?

April 19, 2019, 11:22 PM	#9
stinkeypete Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2010 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 1,293	Shots Fired! Ruger takes on Heritage... discuss! https://ruger.com/products/wrangler/models.htmlhttp:// It looks to me like they rebuilt an old Single Six .22 LR with a new aluminum frame alloy. I love the old style rubber ruger grips. MSRP $249. 30 oz.. or about 6 oz lighter than the steel frame. I don't care for the Heritage's goofy looking safety, but the price is sure right. It made them tempting for knocking about. For just a little more, I'll soon be able to get a Ruger Wrangler. Except I just got back from the toy store. Except so much want! Marketing has decided it's for beginners. I think it's for pistoleros that want something less costly than a single-10 for a field gun. Discuss!

April 20, 2019, 12:58 AM	#10
Ricekila Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2017 Location: Lawnguyland, NY Posts: 169	Heres the question ? Can I stuff a Wrangler in my Wrangler's -- when I drive my Wrangler ? __________________ NRA Instructor / RSO & NRA Life Member / S.A.F.E. Armorer / 03-FFL / Moist Nugget gun nut / Ammosexual / COR of a Venturing Crew / And a right wing Republican Jew with guns Μολών Λaβέ

April 20, 2019, 01:07 AM	#11
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	I thought all Single Sixes had alloy frames.

April 20, 2019, 07:38 AM	#14
Apple a Day Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2000 Location: Poquoson,Virginia Posts: 1,524	I want one. I had a Heritage for years, put three gazillion rounds through it, started a number of new shooters on it. I replaced it with a bearcat because it's higher quality. I think the Wrangler will be a good balance of cost and quality plus a ton of fun. I'm definitely going to get one within the next year __________________ THose who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

April 20, 2019, 07:56 AM	#15
TxFlyFish Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2011 Posts: 1,246	Needs MOAR grips where punisher, no step on snek and melon labe

April 20, 2019, 07:57 AM	#16
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	Very nice but I would really like to see a lower priced DA .22lr revolver option maybe based off a SP101 or GP100.

April 20, 2019, 08:21 AM	#17
CajunBass Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Location: North Chesterfield, Virginia Posts: 4,767	The Wrangler reminds me a lot of the 50th anniversary Single-Six. Same basic gun, but the 50th has a steel frame, and is a lot better finished. I can assure you, these cost a lot more than $250.00, even way back in the day when it was new. __________________ For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (NKJV)

April 20, 2019, 08:37 AM	#18
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,627	Heritage has a 9 shot cylinder. Heritage has 4, 6, 9, and 16 inch barrels. Heritage has 22 mag.

April 20, 2019, 09:42 AM	#20
stinkeypete Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2010 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 1,293	Calm down, Wild Cat! Heritage now has some competition in their market niche. Without doubt, Heritage created that space and good for them. What I do not expect to see anytime soon is a Ruger Wrangler with adjustable target sights. That would only cannibalize sales from the steel (yea, steel is not pure iron, it’s an alloy) frame single six family. These are frankly too expensive right now. I want to dress one up to look as much like my bearcat as I can!

April 20, 2019, 11:15 AM	#21
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	I paid $350 for a Single Six convertible back in 2000. I'm sure the price has gone up quite a bit since then. I certainly applaud Ruger doing something to get the price down for a Single Six, although I don't understand why/how an aluminum alloy frame is significantly less expensive than a steel frame. In general, aluminum isn't a cheap material. Zamack would be cheaper, and is entirely adequate for a .22. Back in the 60s I had a German-made, .22 LR cowboy six shooter that had a Zamack frame. I put a lot of rounds through that little gun and it never gave me any problems. Can anyone explain why the new Wrangler has two lines running around the rear of the cylinder? They detract from the appearance, IMHO, and I can't see that they serve any functional purpose.

April 20, 2019, 11:21 AM	#22
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	WHOA! https://ruger.com/productImages/2002/detail/2.jpg The front of the cylinder shows rings around the mouth of each chamber. Clicking on the spec sheet, I see that Ruger says the cylinder and frame are aluminum alloy. Does this mean that the cylinder is made of aluminum, and the chambers are steel sleeves pressed into the aluminum cylinder?

April 20, 2019, 11:58 AM	#23
TxFlyFish Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2011 Posts: 1,246	Hmm can’t tell exactly it does kinda look like it. I think heritage is steel cylinder. Well on the plus side ruger will finally have adjustable chamber throats yay!

April 20, 2019, 12:05 PM	#24
Chettt Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2006 Posts: 238	When Phoenix Arms, Hi Point and Taurus can make money on sub two hundred dollar hand guns, you have to wonder how much profit these larger companies with highly efficient manufacturing make on each sale. I am glad they are successful and profitable but I would bet Ruger could blister pack their LCP, sell it for less than 100 dollars and still make a sizable profit.