August 15, 2011, 12:30 AM | #1 |
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Kel Tec KSG Shotgun
Anybody know when these will be available for sale? The ones on gunbroker are fakes as per Kel Tec, as none have shipped out yet.
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August 15, 2011, 12:35 AM | #2 |
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Supposedly Q3/Q4 this year, but we won't know for sure until Kel-Tec announces they are shipping.
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August 15, 2011, 05:29 PM | #3 |
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for around $800 im not too anxious
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When they first came out at Shot Show I was really interested in them. And I've seen the videos of Nut n' Fancy running around in the sesert shooting them and everything...
I really don't think they are going to be the ultimate HD weapon. If you look at a Benelli M4 or a Mossberg 930 SPX - these autos (and others) can put a double tap on someone as quick as or more quickly than you can do it with a pistol, and more quickly than you can do it with a pump. With 8 or 9 rounds... it's more than enough IMO to deal with any HD situation. So... the more I thought about it the less inclined I was to get a KSG. I think the autos are faster shooting and hold enough ammo. So I really need 15 rounds of shotgun ammo? Now if they came out with that thing in auto configuation - especially if it switched between tubes... I'd pay a thousand bucks for it and I'd pre-order. |
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Those are huge guns though. This Kel Tec was designed to be much more maneuverable. Size + capacity make this a interesting gun.
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August 16, 2011, 04:50 AM | #7 |
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I think i would be interested as is pretty cool looking and holds 14 or so rounds.
negatives, is that after watching a video, that is a whole lot of pumping, and the guys in the video were really jamming on it. An auto sounds better and I am still trying to find a pmr-30. I should be able to run in and just buy one, but they seem to be nonexistent or there is one on gb.com which they have jacked up in price. no availability to me means no interest. |
August 16, 2011, 09:07 PM | #8 |
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"If reliability is not an issue, it could be the ultimate home defense gun. To me, it's worth it. To each their own."
You can get a Saiga 12 for under 600 bucks, which is semi auto and will hold just as many rounds if not more with the right magazine. You can also make it shorter in length with a collapsible stock. But my real thought is this... If you need 14 shotgun shells to defend your home you might want to save the 800 dollars and buy a plane ticket to a better neighborhood Last edited by FrosSsT; August 16, 2011 at 09:12 PM. |
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check back in 30-50 years when the reliabilty of an 870 or 500/590 has been established...they look cool and the design is right, just not proven. i cant justify spending on when I'd grab an "older" shotgun over it time and time and time again.
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2. I live in an upscale subdivision, but like the idea of having so much firepower in case of home invasion. I know I'll probably never need it, but it's just like getting a hi cap handgun. It's better to have it than to not have it and need it. Last edited by Mr.Blue; August 17, 2011 at 06:51 PM. |
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The thing about the KSG for me isn't so much the unproven nature, although that is part of it (it won't take 50 years to show, I figure 3-4 years should be sufficient to show if there's issues). It's that it costs as much as a pair of 500s or 870s. Sure, you can switch ammo, but with two Mossberg 500s, you can keep each one loaded differently; just grab the other gun. The one area where the KSG really shines is maneuverability, but I'm not sure that's enough of a benefit to draw my attention at that price point. They do look cool, and if I ever see one for $400, it will come home with me, but I don't think that will ever happen, even used. |
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Im not bashing on the KSG. All I said is that Im not too anxious to see them come out soon for the price tag, and in fact, Im going to pick one up when they come out. And if you cant get a saiga for 600 - 700, your getting taken for a long long ride by whoever you purchase from
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Also remember few other key points about the KSG:
That said, my 590A1 Vang Comp is still my go-to shotgun. The Saiga stays in the safe if my life is on the line. Once the selling frenzy and price wars settle down, I'll try to pick up a KSG. |
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Mr Blue, the Saiga I had for testing for a year or so ate everything and functioned 100% with all kinds of ammo. It was bone stock.
I liked it, but I'm still shooting my 870s... |
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You may have been lucky, Dave. I'm glad yours is running smoothly, but the people I know who have them don't trust them. I wish it wasn't the case, or I may have picked one up.
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August 18, 2011, 07:53 AM | #16 |
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i want one! reliable or not, the thing looks freakin sweet! i want one if for no other reason than to goof off with way back in the woods or show off to my friends.
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Every siaga I have seen has run right. I dont know why some people have problems with them, but my friend and I have done conversions on 6 or 7 of them and they all worked great.
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August 18, 2011, 08:38 AM | #18 |
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ok, enough about the saiga or whatever.
I have 2-3 people waiting for this KSG and we talk about it everytime I mention shotgun. When is this thing coming out and will it be available like the pmr-30 - which I still do not have. Kel-tech better step up production - hire a few more people and get these guns out. People will buy them including me. I will buy both ksg and pmr-30 if they were in the gunstore or available. |
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All I can say is that if you want the things, find a gun dealer who will put in an order for you, because waiting to see one in stock is likely to end in tears. |
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This thing is going to be grossly unbalanced, un pointable and just a PITA IMNSHO... As far as being "maneuverable"... Any single shot shotgun with any length of barrel... even a 36" barrel... is more "maneuverable" than the KSG if it has to maneuver thru a 2 inch wide gap... Everything has a place and so far that KSG will find plenty of new homes that I will not have to worry with any strays following me home. Brent |
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I'm thinking the delay at Kel Tec could be them trying to iron out the wrinkles. I know they had to make multiple changes to the prototypes after speaking with law enforcement and so called gun experts. Let's not forget that they will probably sell a lot of these to law enforcement.
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If the KelTec proves itself reliable, and the price point is reasonable, I'll definitely be interested.
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However, I think I might give it just a little while to see how it actually pans out in user reviews. Will also give me time to save up $$
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Since I haven't range tested a KSG yet, this is just hypothesizing, but here's a couple POTENTIAL problems with the design....
First, moving the magazine OVER the barrel means more capacity and a recoil thrust more in a straight line, but those tubes are more exposed. Combat arms are built sturdily in part because they get knocked around a lot. I hope those tubes are strong. I have some experience with the old High Standard bullpup shotgun and that Mossberg version. Some with bullpup rifles also. None had a decent trigger, all ran from bad to absolutely horrible. A downside to the design, and possibly unavoidable. Then there's weight. With 15 rounds aboard, this has to run close to 9 lbs BEFORE anyone adds sights, bayonets, lazers, coffeemakers etc. And with one tube empty and one full, this will be a good lb heavier on one side, which has to affect handling. I'll reserve judgement on the KSG like I said, but I doubt it will make me sell off my 870s... |
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Sure, my Benelli pump is good enough. But this one looks interesting. I'm not about to rush off and get one when they ship though. I'll wait awhile for the reviews to come out. But if they prove reliable I'll plop down $800 for it.
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