can we carry black powder firearm in national park?

tiberius10721 · March 21, 2009, 12:18 AM

If black powder gun is not considered a firearm can we bring it into federal park?

Race Bannon · March 21, 2009, 05:08 PM

In Washington State, blackpowder weapons are considered firearms if they are loaded.

armsmaster270 · March 21, 2009, 05:29 PM

Try taking one into any courthouse and they will charge you on a firearm charge. BP guns are not firearms only in a narrowly defined way. They are considered a firearm in most cases.

Jim March · March 21, 2009, 05:38 PM

Waaaaitasec here, that's a damned good question.

OK, take WA state for a moment. Let's assume that like most states, WA considers, say, a front-stuffer revolver (1851 Colt, Remmie, Ruger Old Army, etc) a "gun". Well you can still carry it on a CCW permit. That's true of ALL the CCW states so far as I'm aware...definitely the case in AZ where I am now.

The ban on carry in national parks is based on US (Fed) law and that in turn in most areas doesn't cover front-stuffers. NFA rules don't apply, for example...you can take a 12ga double-barrel percussion front-stuffer shotgun, chop the barrels to 12", put a pistol grip on it, it's all good under Fed rules and many (most?) states.

So just where is the wording on the national park gun ban, and does it cover front-stuffers?

If it doesn't, and you're carrying a front-stuffer revolver under a state CCW permit, you'd be good.

It all hinges on the wording of the Fed statute in question...

tiberius10721 · March 21, 2009, 08:08 PM

Thats the point I was trying to make if u were on federal land you would come under federal laws no matter what state u were in

armsmaster270 · March 21, 2009, 08:21 PM

OK try to take it into a Federal Courthouse

Brian Pfleuger · March 21, 2009, 08:58 PM

Sometimes common sense is the best answer to a question.

Why would you? Not necessary and asking for trouble. So, no. Unless of course you want to be the ever popular "Test Case", if so, go right ahead.

March 21, 2009, 12:18 AM	#1
tiberius10721 Junior member Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 228	can we carry black powder firearm in national park? If black powder gun is not considered a firearm can we bring it into federal park?

March 21, 2009, 05:29 PM	#3
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	Try taking one into any courthouse and they will charge you on a firearm charge. BP guns are not firearms only in a narrowly defined way. They are considered a firearm in most cases. __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

March 21, 2009, 05:38 PM	#4
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	Waaaaitasec here, that's a damned good question. OK, take WA state for a moment. Let's assume that like most states, WA considers, say, a front-stuffer revolver (1851 Colt, Remmie, Ruger Old Army, etc) a "gun". Well you can still carry it on a CCW permit. That's true of ALL the CCW states so far as I'm aware...definitely the case in AZ where I am now. The ban on carry in national parks is based on US (Fed) law and that in turn in most areas doesn't cover front-stuffers. NFA rules don't apply, for example...you can take a 12ga double-barrel percussion front-stuffer shotgun, chop the barrels to 12", put a pistol grip on it, it's all good under Fed rules and many (most?) states. So just where is the wording on the national park gun ban, and does it cover front-stuffers? If it doesn't, and you're carrying a front-stuffer revolver under a state CCW permit, you'd be good. It all hinges on the wording of the Fed statute in question... __________________ Jim March

March 21, 2009, 08:21 PM	#6
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	OK try to take it into a Federal Courthouse __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

March 21, 2009, 08:58 PM	#7
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Sometimes common sense is the best answer to a question. Why would you? Not necessary and asking for trouble. So, no. Unless of course you want to be the ever popular "Test Case", if so, go right ahead. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

March 21, 2009, 05:08 PM	#2
Race Bannon Member Join Date: February 26, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 21	In Washington State, blackpowder weapons are considered firearms if they are loaded.

March 21, 2009, 08:08 PM	#5
tiberius10721 Junior member Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 228	Thats the point I was trying to make if u were on federal land you would come under federal laws no matter what state u were in