Night time: Do you keep one in the pipe? - Page 2

nightwolf1974 · February 9, 2009, 06:53 PM

"My defensive guns are always ready to go, round chambered!If children were around it would be different. We don't allow kids in the house."

......same here!

obxned · February 9, 2009, 08:57 PM

Same as daytime. 100% safe but ready to go!

monkey95 · February 10, 2009, 12:37 AM

Did not have a round in chamber until 3 days ago. After reading TFL threads I decided on "one in chamber, safety on". This morning, 0330, I had my first true OH S! moment as our alarm went off. I am a heavy sleeper , but, 5 seconds from out of bed ready to fire was in hind sight very comforting(especially for my wife who is gun wary). Luckily it was a false alarm, 3 more alarms during the day, and I am sure I have forever traumitized my dd moving through the house in boxers with a gun in hand!

That said, not having to rack slide was a comfort for me

The only other thing learned is my dog talks a big game but...

evan1293 · February 10, 2009, 12:42 AM

All my defensive guns are fully loaded and chambered. The argument for racking the slide before hand makes far too many assumptions IMO.

Shadi Khalil · February 10, 2009, 01:04 AM

My guns are always loaded and decocked. I think that on the night stand would be the most important time to have the weapon loaded and easily manipulated. I know when I wake up in the middle of the night only half my brain is working and its dark.

Stevie-Ray · February 10, 2009, 07:27 PM

Cocked and locked for me.

Huey Long · February 10, 2009, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Wasn't there a story about keeping a loaded gun near the bed and the phone ringing late at night and the sleepy guy put the gun to his head instead of the phone and....

Yah, famous Darwin Award winner, that one, and IIRC it was NOT an urban legend.

There was also guy who bought a Darwin award by trying to play Russian roulette with a autopistol. He loaded one round in the mag, inserted the mag, racked the slide and...well, I think you can guess what happened next.

KLRANGL · February 10, 2009, 08:32 PM

USPc locked and cocked 24/7/365. I used to un-chamber a round when arriving home, but decided that the unnecessary handling of the firearms could cause more harm than good. Its always ready to go on me or right by the bed. To keep from shooting someone by mistake, my first instinct is to reach for the flashlight.

RG Stewart · February 11, 2009, 07:14 AM

1911 cocked & locked

bedside phone isn't in a thumb-break holster, though-keep it simple

vdannyxman · February 11, 2009, 05:19 PM

,like the xmd40 it really is like the glock , but it has grip safety and trigger safety , but once you hold the gun all you have to do is pull the trigger . so i keep it loaded but not one in the chamber. on the hip i would carry it that way in the holster . but not in my sleep. if it had a manual safety i would carry one in the chamber since you cannot decock the gun with one in the chamber. to scarey . so my question is how do all the xd guys keep the gun safe with one in the chamber?

buzz_knox · February 11, 2009, 05:21 PM

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so my question is how do all the xd guys keep the gun safe with one in the chamber?

By excercising proper trigger discipline and not touching the trigger until ready to fire.

Terry A · February 11, 2009, 06:12 PM

The XD-45 is loaded 24/7 with the exception being when it gets a cleaning. It never sleeps....

I have a couple of other guns hidden in different areas of the home and they're loaded as well.

All the others are unloaded.

Glenn E. Meyer · February 11, 2009, 06:17 PM

What to do?

Evaluate your view of the risks:

1. Chambered - you may ND for various factors.
2. Unchambered - you may not get the gun into action fast enough or screw up the racking.

Which branch is more dangerous to your survival and those you need to protect?

That's the decision for you.

Ian0351 · February 11, 2009, 07:17 PM

...and its a Pump-12 under the bed. When my dog goes bonkers at 0400 I can be condition 1 covering the hallway in seconds. And in many situations, hearing the homeowner rack a 12 gauge is enough to make a prowler steal someone else's TV. Sleeping with condition one weapons is a no-no in my book.

Creature · February 11, 2009, 07:21 PM

Condition 1. Always.

mjoy64 · February 11, 2009, 07:25 PM

I specifically chose my HK USP in 40 S&W for my "nightstand gun". I keep one in the pipe and decocked. My rationale:

a) I don't want to wake up and have to remember to rack the slide or to disengage the safety.
b) I don't want to risk an ND so I appreciate that first 13ish lbs. trigger pull in double action.

For me a reliable DA/SA gun met my "nightstand gun" requirements.

vdannyxman · February 11, 2009, 07:58 PM

what does ND stand for? i understand what is happening but what is the meaning? no question is stupid it's the question you don't ask.

Crankylove · February 11, 2009, 08:09 PM

My carry gun is also my home defense gun, and stays cocked and locked and within arms reach 24/7. The only time it gets unloaded is when i shoot it empty

armsmaster270 · February 11, 2009, 08:12 PM

My bedside is my carry gun a Sig 226 the only time the chamber is empty is when I am cleaning it. 46 years and I haven't tried to talk into it yet.

mjoy64 · February 11, 2009, 10:39 PM

Quote:

what does ND stand for?

Negligent Discharge.

Zulu343 · February 12, 2009, 05:58 PM

357 revolver. Simple, no thought process needed to operate. Obviously not kept cocked.

YARDDOG(1) · February 12, 2009, 06:18 PM

357 Also Great Night Stand Gun :d

Arby238 · February 12, 2009, 08:41 PM

In the holster 15+1

Noob101 · February 12, 2009, 08:50 PM

This isn't a judgement or anything, but I wonder about the risk/reward ratio here. I'm assuming the majority of people here don't live amongst gang-bangers and so I'm wondering what is the need for this?

I'd like to learn how to shoot a rifle for ranges and maybe hunting when I'm good enough. As such, I've started thinking about getting a handgun for the wife as I travel a lot. We don't live in a bad area at all, it's a 'just in case' thing. However, if it's pointless to have a handgun for defense unless you have a round in the pipe then she'd never agree to it. Insight would be appreciate.

Cheers

pacomdiver · February 13, 2009, 09:32 PM

like badlander siad, all the homeprotectors are loaded, if the dog starts barking, the glock 21 (always hot) and my pistol grip converted saiga 12 with an ati night scope are within reach. i can pick up the saiga and flip the nightvision with iluminator on, so i can be sure what im about to shoot is a bad guy. my wife also has a pistol grip converted saiga 20 on her side and her taurus 745

View Poll Results: Night time: Do you keep one in the pipe?
Yes I do, and unlocked	76	46.34%
Yes I do, but locked or decocked	52	31.71%
No I dont.	36	21.95%
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February 9, 2009, 06:53 PM	#26
nightwolf1974 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Location: Unity, Nh Posts: 143	"My defensive guns are always ready to go, round chambered!If children were around it would be different. We don't allow kids in the house." ......same here! __________________ live free or die!

February 9, 2009, 08:57 PM	#27
obxned Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2007 Location: OBX, NC Posts: 1,128	Same as daytime. 100% safe but ready to go! __________________ “If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.” Ronald Reagan I'm a proud member of a North Carolina *Committee of Safety*

February 10, 2009, 12:37 AM	#28
monkey95 Member Join Date: February 5, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 75	Thank You TFL and Members Did not have a round in chamber until 3 days ago. After reading TFL threads I decided on "one in chamber, safety on". This morning, 0330, I had my first true OH S! moment as our alarm went off. I am a heavy sleeper , but, 5 seconds from out of bed ready to fire was in hind sight very comforting(especially for my wife who is gun wary). Luckily it was a false alarm, 3 more alarms during the day, and I am sure I have forever traumitized my dd moving through the house in boxers with a gun in hand! That said, not having to rack slide was a comfort for me The only other thing learned is my dog talks a big game but...

February 10, 2009, 07:27 PM	#31
Stevie-Ray Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: The shores of Lake Huron Posts: 4,783	Cocked and locked for me. __________________ Stevie-Ray Join the NRA/ILA I am the weapon; my gun is a tool. It's regrettable that with some people those descriptors are reversed.

February 10, 2009, 12:42 AM	#29
evan1293 Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2007 Location: CT Posts: 783	All my defensive guns are fully loaded and chambered. The argument for racking the slide before hand makes far too many assumptions IMO.

February 10, 2009, 01:04 AM	#30
Shadi Khalil Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,210	My guns are always loaded and decocked. I think that on the night stand would be the most important time to have the weapon loaded and easily manipulated. I know when I wake up in the middle of the night only half my brain is working and its dark.

February 10, 2009, 08:32 PM	#33
KLRANGL Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 958	USPc locked and cocked 24/7/365. I used to un-chamber a round when arriving home, but decided that the unnecessary handling of the firearms could cause more harm than good. Its always ready to go on me or right by the bed. To keep from shooting someone by mistake, my first instinct is to reach for the flashlight. __________________ And it's Killer Angel... as in the book

February 11, 2009, 07:14 AM	#34
RG Stewart Member Join Date: August 1, 2006 Location: Ga Posts: 54	1911 cocked & locked bedside phone isn't in a thumb-break holster, though-keep it simple

February 11, 2009, 05:19 PM	#35
vdannyxman Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Posts: 16	no ,like the xmd40 it really is like the glock , but it has grip safety and trigger safety , but once you hold the gun all you have to do is pull the trigger . so i keep it loaded but not one in the chamber. on the hip i would carry it that way in the holster . but not in my sleep. if it had a manual safety i would carry one in the chamber since you cannot decock the gun with one in the chamber. to scarey . so my question is how do all the xd guys keep the gun safe with one in the chamber?

February 11, 2009, 06:12 PM	#37
Terry A Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Location: Washington, Pa Posts: 764	The XD-45 is loaded 24/7 with the exception being when it gets a cleaning. It never sleeps.... I have a couple of other guns hidden in different areas of the home and they're loaded as well. All the others are unloaded. __________________ 2 Thes 3:16 "Now may the Lord of peace Himself continually grant you peace in every circumstance. The Lord be with you all! "

February 11, 2009, 06:17 PM	#38
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	What to do? Evaluate your view of the risks: 1. Chambered - you may ND for various factors. 2. Unchambered - you may not get the gun into action fast enough or screw up the racking. Which branch is more dangerous to your survival and those you need to protect? That's the decision for you. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

February 11, 2009, 07:17 PM	#39
Ian0351 Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 414	Condition Three until I know for sure there's an enemy... ...and its a Pump-12 under the bed. When my dog goes bonkers at 0400 I can be condition 1 covering the hallway in seconds. And in many situations, hearing the homeowner rack a 12 gauge is enough to make a prowler steal someone else's TV. Sleeping with condition one weapons is a no-no in my book. __________________ You can have your churches, I'll keep my guns. Just keep your hands off my paycheck and your eyes out of my backyard. Join the Libertarian Party! http://www.lp.org Semper Fidelis

February 11, 2009, 07:21 PM	#40
Creature Junior member Join Date: April 8, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,769	Condition 1. Always.

February 11, 2009, 07:25 PM	#41
mjoy64 Member Join Date: May 30, 2007 Location: Central Texas Posts: 64	I specifically chose my HK USP in 40 S&W for my "nightstand gun". I keep one in the pipe and decocked. My rationale: a) I don't want to wake up and have to remember to rack the slide or to disengage the safety. b) I don't want to risk an ND so I appreciate that first 13ish lbs. trigger pull in double action. For me a reliable DA/SA gun met my "nightstand gun" requirements.

February 11, 2009, 07:58 PM	#42
vdannyxman Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Posts: 16	ignorance what does ND stand for? i understand what is happening but what is the meaning? no question is stupid it's the question you don't ask.

February 11, 2009, 08:09 PM	#43
Crankylove Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2008 Location: 8B ID Posts: 1,753	My carry gun is also my home defense gun, and stays cocked and locked and within arms reach 24/7. The only time it gets unloaded is when i shoot it empty __________________ The answer to 1984 is 1776

February 11, 2009, 08:12 PM	#44
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	My bedside is my carry gun a Sig 226 the only time the chamber is empty is when I am cleaning it. 46 years and I haven't tried to talk into it yet. __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

February 12, 2009, 05:58 PM	#46
Zulu343 Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Posts: 27	357 revolver. Simple, no thought process needed to operate. Obviously not kept cocked.

February 12, 2009, 06:18 PM	#47
YARDDOG(1) Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: GATOR COUNTRY HA HA HA! Posts: 721	357 Also Great Night Stand Gun :d __________________ There's a GATOR in the bushes & She's Callin my name >Molly Hatchett<

February 12, 2009, 08:41 PM	#48
Arby238 Junior Member Join Date: January 23, 2009 Posts: 4	In the holster 15+1

February 12, 2009, 08:50 PM	#49
Noob101 Junior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Posts: 6	Isn't this dangerous? This isn't a judgement or anything, but I wonder about the risk/reward ratio here. I'm assuming the majority of people here don't live amongst gang-bangers and so I'm wondering what is the need for this? I'd like to learn how to shoot a rifle for ranges and maybe hunting when I'm good enough. As such, I've started thinking about getting a handgun for the wife as I travel a lot. We don't live in a bad area at all, it's a 'just in case' thing. However, if it's pointless to have a handgun for defense unless you have a round in the pipe then she'd never agree to it. Insight would be appreciate. Cheers

February 13, 2009, 09:32 PM	#50
pacomdiver Member Join Date: February 11, 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 21	like badlander siad, all the homeprotectors are loaded, if the dog starts barking, the glock 21 (always hot) and my pistol grip converted saiga 12 with an ati night scope are within reach. i can pick up the saiga and flip the nightvision with iluminator on, so i can be sure what im about to shoot is a bad guy. my wife also has a pistol grip converted saiga 20 on her side and her taurus 745