New CZ sig P365 coming out today

[TunnelRat]

CZs seems to have a small but dedicated fan base. People that like them really like them, while many have never heard of CZ.

When I see new prospective gun owners in stores it’s pretty rare for them to ask for anything by name. If the clerk mentions Glock or Beretta or Smith and Wesson the person might say, “I’ve heard of that”, but a lot of the new people know absolutely nothing about firearms. CZ is well down on the list of what that person will get shown, unless the clerk also happens to be a CZ fan. Also, if the person asks where the pistol is made and the clerk responds Czech Republic that doesn’t tend to help matters. I’ll be honest and say before I bought my first CZ I could probably vaguely point to the Czech Republic on a map, and I definitely didn’t know the history the company has.


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[Carl the Floor Walker]

Originally Posted by TunnelRat

CZs seems to have a small but dedicated fan base. People that like them really like them, while many have never heard of CZ.

When I see new prospective gun owners in stores it’s pretty rare for them to ask for anything by name. If the clerk mentions Glock or Beretta or Smith and Wesson the person might say, “I’ve heard of that”, but a lot of the new people know absolutely nothing about firearms. CZ is well down on the list of what that person will get shown, unless the clerk also happens to be a CZ fan. Also, if the person asks where the pistol is made and the clerk responds Czech Republic that doesn’t tend to help matters. I’ll be honest and say before I bought my first CZ I could probably vaguely point to the Czech Republic on a map, and I definitely didn’t know the history the company has.


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Not to get off the subject, the the Czech Republic is the one place I would choose to move if I were a younger man. Beautiful Country with great Forrest, liberal* firearm laws, great working conditions, no riots and other crap etc. Do a little bit of study on this and you will see what I am talking about.

liberal*-not the American version of Liberal

[TunnelRat]

I’m sure it is. I’ve never had the pleasure to visit, but people I know that have had good things to say.


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[gc70]

Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker

I agree with you. I do think they will push the Sig 365 or even the Taurus and the Ruger. They will push the 10+ rounds. In my area you seldom see any CZ's. My guess is they do not move very well as most new owners never heard of them.They also sell a lot of SCCY's, and Smith and Wesson.(When they have them) SSCY they always seem to have plenty of stock. I believe the New SSCY is 10 rds as well, but not sure. I do not keep up with them.

The SCCY has had 10 rounds since its introduction 16 years ago in a package not much bigger than the P365. Then again, it is was hammer-fired DAO pistol with a long, heavy trigger pull that few newer shooters believe they can master. You have probably not heard of the new SCCY DVG-1 which is striker-fired and has a 5.5-pound trigger.

[wild cat mccane]

Haha it’s one of the most “American liberal” countries in the EU.

[wild cat mccane]

Accurate copies the p11. Ain’t no one in their right mind buying a p11 right now.

But you are right that the p11 is the original p365 of these groups. However the p365 functions in all the right ways where the p11 sucks at everything but size and weight.

[JDBerg]

The CZ RAMI was gradually phased out, with the final 9mm alloy framed version being discontinued in 2020. This was to make way for the new CZ sub-compact pistols with their striker-fire, trigger safeties, and polymer frames. These are the CZ P-10 S and the M series that we’re talking about here.

I don’t mind seeing new polymer framed pistols hitting the market. But I hate to see an excellent hammer fired alloy framed subcompact like the CZ RAMI be discontinued to make room in the product line for another polymer framed striker fired subcompact like this P10 M.

[Siggy-06]

Glad I got my Rami BD 2 years ago.

[armoredman]

My son has the first RAMI CZ 2075 that passed west over the Mississippi river.
Having said that I am gong to try to snag an M model, for CCW use, to find out how well it shoots. The S shoots like a much bigger gun, so I hope the M has the same tendency.

[Carl the Floor Walker]

Originally Posted by wild cat mccane

Haha it’s one of the most “American liberal” countries in the EU.

You might actually do some homework on this. I will not even quote what one friend said of the Comparison of Czechia compared to the US.Many things over there that would they would never put up with like what has been going on in the US for the past couple of years. Again, the L word does not carry the same meaning as in the US. And if you ever get a chance actually visit the Country. And for sure, you do NOT have some jerk trying to take away their gun rights. And no one going around and trying to burn down their cities. Ha Ha.

Getting back to the CZ Pistol. I did some comparisond to the size vs other guns. It appears that many will enjoy this grip. I think the pictures on the internet are deceiving. It it is actually smaller than it appears. Actually smaller in all areas compared to the Sig XL and only weighs a mere .4oz's more. Again the grip was only 1.0" which is actually smaller than my Sig XL which is 1.1."
Also shorter in height and has more room for a glove over my Sig. And much more room for a flash light if I wanted to go that route, in fact it appears that CZ actually considered the flashlight more than Sig did. I would prefer the flashlight over a Red Dot, which I am clearly not interested in. Not to mention more room for the off hand for better control. CZ also left plenty of room for a extended magazine if one comes around which I believe will happen.
The more I read about this gun the more I am interested. It grows on me the more I look at it. Actually a cool little gun. It might not be pocket size but should carry very well in a light weight holster like the Desantis scabbard. And for the Price, appears to be one of the best deals out there at this point. I definitely see a trade coming if this gun shoots as well as I think it will.

Comparison of CZ vs Sig XL



https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...l-vs-cz-p-10-m

[TunnelRat]

The 1.1” width on the XL is because the base of the grip is flared for easier magazine insertion. The majority of the grip is 1”. You can mount a light to the XL. The new Streamlight TLR7 Sub and the SureFire XSC have versions specific to the P365 line of pistols (all of the micro pistols are too narrow for the traditional weapon lights).

Edit: this isn’t an argument that the P365XL is perfect, as I don’t think it is. I’m just trying to add information.


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[wild cat mccane]

It's called the "world's most tolerant country."

Been there. You might be googling that the leadership is conservative, but the country is liberal in every way. No sin taxes, they travel, they are tolerant in law, constitution, etc.

Like most large populated areas, areas like Prague are extreme "american" liberal.

The most recognized handgun in the world comes from Austria which is one of the most liberal countries in the world. FN Herstal because Herstal is the socialist town that owns the company (including Browning). Heck, the US is one of the most liberal countries in the world and has guns.

Scariest situation the wife and I have ever been was 3 years ago in the world's most conservative country. We were at a coffee shop, stepped outside with an American friend that lives there, and walked right into the start of a spontaneous neo Nazi march in Krakow , Poland. Neo Nazis aren't allowed to say Nazi or Hitler, so they go around it by saying "father" and stuff like that. So we were right in the middle of a group singing about the father while looking to fight anyone around them. This aggressiveness and right wing hatred of all change was very present in Krakow and and Warsaw while we were there.

You are confusing your political opinion with "liberal vs conservative." If guns mattered, the US would be the most conservative country in the world.

[wild cat mccane]

Bigger than the Walther PPS:
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...2-vs-cz-p-10-m

Bigger in all regards than the P365:
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...5-vs-cz-p-10-m


I've decided Handgunhero is kinda fundamentally wrong. It takes a stock photo and zooms the photo to the factory dimensions. That scaling distorts everything in the picture.

[gc70]

Originally Posted by wild cat mccane

I've decided Handgunhero is kinda fundamentally wrong. It takes a stock photo and zooms the photo to the factory dimensions. That scaling distorts everything in the picture.

Unless this is a perspective problem with a photo, you need to explain how "scaling distorts everything."

[wild cat mccane]

Align this comparison to see the issue. It's off.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...9-vs-glock-g34

[gc70]

Originally Posted by wild cat mccane

Align this comparison to see the issue. It's off.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...9-vs-glock-g34

'Look at this' is not a detailed explanation of "scaling distorts everything."

The guns are centered in their original photos. Guessing that "align this comparison" means aligning the guns' frames as in the screen cap below, there is no problem with scaling. Because the center of one photo has been shifted in relation to the other photo, there is a tiny difference in the angle of views of the two guns.

[wild cat mccane]

CZ P10F Competition is out now. UPC 806703951805 for those who want it.

1,000 dollars?

[TunnelRat]

Originally Posted by wild cat mccane

CZ P10F Competition is out now. UPC 806703951805 for those who want it.

1,000 dollars?

I don’t want it for $1000. For what at first glance don’t seem like dramatic changes to me I don’t see enough value added. For all I know though people will get it and it will be amazing. Locally I could buy an X5 Legion for $900.


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[wild cat mccane]

I just want the real P226 X5/X6 back

At 1,000, that's double the price of the P10F. Shrug I guess.

[sevt_chevelle]

The P10M was released several years ago before the Sig P365 in the Czech, didn't meet import laws. So it's not a new gun.
Now that CZ can make guns in the USA, why not release it even tho IMO it's a waste of production time/space and resources.

The competition model, sorry not for 1k when you can buy the vastly superior shadow 2 for 1100.
At 700 bucks yes but not at 1k. At least the Sig legion did something cool and innovative with its tungsten infused frame.

This CZ fanboy rolled over and went back to bed.

[armoredman]

I may be getting my hands on an M soon...will have to dust off the camera.

[Spats McGee]

I'd love to have a CZ, but this would not be my first choice.

Originally Posted by armoredman

I may be getting my hands on an M soon...will have to dust off the camera.

Even with what I said above, I'll be interested in reading your impressions, armoredman.

[armoredman]

It came in to the FFL today, but I was unable to make it over to pick it up. Interestingly enough, it appears it did not come alone...

[Spats McGee]

Originally Posted by armoredman

It came in to the FFL today, but I was unable to make it over to pick it up. Interestingly enough, it appears it did not come alone...

And you're just gonna leave us hanging like that?!?

[Forte S+W]

I wish that more companies would come out with double stack slimline .380 ACP Pistols like the LCP MAX because I have no interest in the 9mms, and if I did, then I would have already bought one of the many existing options.

Firearms manufacturers spend way too much time playing follow the leader and not nearly enough innovating or trying to tap otherwise untapped markets. Imagine if someone actually tried applying the same concept as these double stack slimline 9mm Pistols to other cartridges which haven't received such designs yet. Why not a double stack slimline .40, .45, or 10mm?