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Old November 24, 2008, 01:44 AM   #1
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GP100 won't eject smoothly

I just bought a new GP100 and I'm shooting .38 special reloads out of it but I've noticed a problem. When I'm trying to eject the spent rounds, they won't easily dump out. They fall and catch about a half inch from the top of the shell.

Could this be because I'm not crimping enough?
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Old November 24, 2008, 03:16 AM   #2
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I have had that problem when ejecting .38 out of a .357 cylider.
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Old November 24, 2008, 04:41 AM   #3
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any ideas as to what it could be?
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Old November 24, 2008, 07:58 AM   #4
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clean 'em

Dirty chambers.
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Old November 24, 2008, 09:01 AM   #5
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That can't be it. I clean the cylinders every time I finish shooting by chucking a .40 caliber brush up to a power drill and scrubbing them to a fare-thee-well.
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Old November 24, 2008, 09:10 AM   #6
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next (I own two; good guns)

Please describe specifically your 38 Special ammo.
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Old November 24, 2008, 12:35 PM   #7
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Winchester brass. 148 grain HBWC over 3.0 grains of Clays. What specifically are you looking for me to tell you?

Thanks for your help SHOOT!
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Old November 24, 2008, 12:50 PM   #8
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Might be the load is over MAX (my data suggests 2.5g MAX) for that specific bullet, expanding the case until it really fits the chamber.

Might be you're gettin 'blow-back', sooting or dirtying the case so it 'sticks' during extraction.

Might be gunk-funk from firing that soft (?) lead bullet, or lube pushed up during seating, gumming up the case near its mouth inhibiting extraction.

Are you crimping?
How?
Are you loading flush to the case mouth? Or extended past it?
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Old November 24, 2008, 12:51 PM   #9
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ammo dressing

Made in cleaned sized Winchester cases, right?
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Old November 24, 2008, 02:37 PM   #10
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It's really hard to say without seeing the gun, but first I would ask if when pushing in the ejector rod (empty,clean gun) can you feel any hesitation on the stroke? They may be a burr in the ejector assembly. In the case of Rugers the finish on the chamber walls is usually not polished really smooth. I think the brass of the .38s is fireforming itself tightly to the chambers. Some .38 Spl brass is paper thin. I'm not being critical of Ruger here, I own a number of them and they are fine weapons. I have had to polish the chambers on several of mine because the brass stuck to the chambers. Brownell's sells a chamber polishing hone (sort of like a brake cylinder hone) in various calibers, they work very well. Be advised, you must use the special oil the manufacturer sells or the hone will be damaged. If you're cleaning the chambers as you say then it almost has to be a rough surface left in the chambers. If you can see any machining marks, consider having them polished or doing it yourself. Oh yeah, your crimp should have no effect at all on the problem.
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Old November 24, 2008, 02:45 PM   #11
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They're catching on the grip

I get it too, on my SP101. It is always the one or two empties that are right next to the grip. They just don't have clearance to drop free past the grip without a little shake.
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Old November 24, 2008, 02:50 PM   #12
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Smaug, the GP stock is relieved on that side.
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Old November 24, 2008, 03:00 PM   #13
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My GP-100 wouldn't eject 38spl reliably either. I sold it to a buddy who had been drooling over it for some time. I do miss it though. I may visit it over the weekend...

All of my 38's were UMC, Win, or Rem factory 110's. I also scrubbed my cylinder in vain. Could be a GP-specific hiccup?
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Old November 24, 2008, 03:13 PM   #14
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I got this for awhile in my .357 SP-101 until I realized I wasn't flaring the case mouth enough prior to seating the bullet. I got lube on the outside of the case which got hot, sticky and dirty after firing. Made extraction fun.

Clean loads, clean chambers!
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Old November 24, 2008, 04:23 PM   #15
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even with lead bullets

(I just assumed clean shiny ammo.)
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Old November 24, 2008, 04:48 PM   #16
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Smaug, the GP stock is relieved on that side.
So is the SP101's. But they still catch on that nice, grippy rubber from time to time, and they still get in the way of speedloading. C'est la vie.
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Old November 24, 2008, 04:52 PM   #17
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I have two; I know what you mean

And I've very recently been working with someone and their new stock-stocked GP (and my HKS speedloaders).

Nothing ever seems to work as we wish, ay?
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Old November 24, 2008, 05:45 PM   #18
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It's not catching on the grips for sure. I know this because all six of the spent casings won't eject without a little jostling.
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Old November 24, 2008, 06:04 PM   #19
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148 grain HBWC
I'm not surprised. My experience with that mirrors yours. Especially when I used to shoot those very soft Speer 148 gr HBWC's. I ended up just tossing 2 boxes of those bullets--just too dirty and soft.

You may want to try shooting those reloads on 357 mag cases. That may cause less sticking.

I'm wondering what other forum members' experiences are.
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Old November 24, 2008, 07:02 PM   #20
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Casings Hanging Up When Ejecting

I had that problem with reloads only
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Old November 24, 2008, 07:29 PM   #21
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Crazy enough the Speer 148 gr HBWC are exactly what I'm using
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Old November 25, 2008, 12:29 PM   #22
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Crazy enough the Speer 148 gr HBWC are exactly what I'm using
Hi Savage,
What a coincidence huh!! I had a thousand of those bullets that sat on my reloading cabinet for more than 10 years before I decided to toss them into the trash can. The lead was too soft and it was full of sticky lube. They definitely have to be reloaded to a very low velocity. Also, since the 38 special cases are shorter, you will end up with lead/lube deposits right before the cylinder throat and that will cause sticky extraction or make insertion of new rounds difficult.

Like my previous comment. Try using 357 mag brass and use the current makes of lead bullets that have at least the 2/6 tin/antimony mix. These bullets are harder and are not sticky like the Speers.

Good luck!
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Old November 25, 2008, 12:41 PM   #23
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When I'm trying to eject the spent rounds, they won't easily dump out.
My GP100 has always done this, all six bores, from the time it was new, will all ammo, 38spl or 357. The cylinder bores are shiny clean.
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Old November 25, 2008, 01:33 PM   #24
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SavageMOA, for the chambers, you might try polishing them up a little rather than just brushing the heck out of them. Dropping back to a smaller .32 bore brush with some super fine steel wool around it or a pencil/dowel rod and a cloth with Flitz might work.
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Old November 25, 2008, 02:04 PM   #25
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Sometimes you think the chambers are clean when they're not. I have a Taurus that won't seat a 357 round after shooting 38s. I take a 357 brass and work it in until 357s will drop cleanly into it. That works.
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