New Deer Rifle Caliber

[rickmelear]

7mm08, pic your delivery system

[alex0535]

What about a 6.5x47 Lapua?

Light recoiling, great barrel and brass life, short even by short action standards, can reach similar velocities to the 6.5 creedmore, and .260 if pushed to it.

Designed to be as inherently accurate inside 300 meters as Lapua could design, and from the targets I've seen, in a well made rifle it doesn't disappoint.

Plenty of energy to kill deer and hogs at father ranges than 150 yards, still moving supersonic at 1000 if you ever want to try to lob them out that far, it'll do that too.

[jimbob86]

What about a 6.5x47 Lapua?

After you special order the barrel, pay to get it put on and headspaced .... and the dies, and the brass (or make it) ..... what does it do that more common rounds (even the Creedmore has brass on the shelf at my local big box store) ...... after all that extra expense and bother, what does it do that more common competitors do not? The answer is : Bupkus......

[alex0535]

^satisfies the want for something uncommon. Could load the longest 6.5mm bullets you could find and they'd still feed from the magazine where this might not be the case for the 6.5 creedmore or .260 in a short action.

But now that Lapua is making large rifle primer 6.5 creedmore brass, it's less novel. But everyone and their mother is getting a creedmore, I wouldn't call it unique or uncommon, so I kind of figured all those things would be necessary in anything that was.

[jimbob86]

If you are going that far to be different, get a custom reamer dies and name your wildcat after yourself ..... or your cat ...... that'd be different.....

[briandg]

I can't imagine anything that defines classic medium bore medium velocity medium game medium range short action rounds better than .250 savage. Back when Remington used to sell their annual classic edition, the .250 was number four, in 1984. It is still available in component brass or loaded ammo

[Screwball]

With a maximum of 150 yards, what about a .44 Magnum? I picked up a Ruger 44 Carbine (tube magazine), and it is a very nice rifle.

I got a Carcano in 6.5mm Japanese (Type I), which got me interested in the round. It was shortened, so figured that the rifle would be a nice beginner rifle, or something light for my girlfriend. For $149, it was hard to pass it up. Problem was that it also got me into Carcanos... which resulted in an Oswald replica rifle (in 6.5mm Carcano).

The Carcano calibers, 6.5mm and 7.35mm, are similar to the Arisaka calibers... if you want something different. Just the 6.5mm is more common than 7.35mm, being it was brought back when Italy couldn't transition to 7.35mm in World War II.

[Cheapshooter]

Well, you do have a 243, but.......
6MM Remington. Be it not for Remington's mistaken marketing, the round that would have made the 243 Winchester obscure!

[Olympus]

Well I found a deal on the CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39. It has been on my want list for a long time now, so I let the money burn a hole in my pocket for too long. I also ordered a little Sightron SI Hunter scope for it, so it should make a handy little woods deer hunting rifle. I think I will also get some reloading components to reload my 257 Roberts. I'm thinking that rifle should be big enough for any kind of hunting I'm likely to be doing for the next several years.

[jimbob86]

Cheap, marketing had less to do with it than putting a twist that would not stabilize 100 gr bullets in their barrels ..... that and parent cases for the .243WIN were as common as military surplus anything, and the parent case for the 6MM was a Eurometric special order thing..

[Rifletom]

Olympus, glad you found a new rifle/cartridge. But, you should really start shooting your .257 Roberts. Your searching probably would have ended there. You did get a new rifle to tinker with tho. Have fun. But, shoot that .257.

[Cheapshooter]

Cheap, marketing had less to do with it than putting a twist that would not stabilize 100 gr bullets in their barrels .....

In not going into a lengthy explanation at the time I meant that the original round that became the 6MM Remington, the 244 Remington, was marketed as a varmint cartridge with no intention of it being a deer, or multi purpose cartridge. By the time the mistake was realized, and corrected with the 6MM Remington the Winchester round already dominated the .243 caliber market. Remington almost included the magnum moniker on the new round calling it the 6MM Remington Magnum. I wonder if not doing so was also mistake. Differentiating the Remington as a more powerful round. Which it is.
My own, built on a K98 Mauser action with a heavy varmint weight barrel and an in between twist of 1 in 10 is a tack driver with pills from 75 to 105 gr.

[Olympus]

Originally Posted by Rifletom

Olympus, glad you found a new rifle/cartridge. But, you should really start shooting your .257 Roberts. Your searching probably would have ended there. You did get a new rifle to tinker with tho. Have fun. But, shoot that .257.

Thanks. I think I will this year.

[Huffmanite]

FWIW, own and shoot almost all of the cartridges suggested. Don't hunt, just shoot paper at range I'm a member two or three days a weeks with mostly other retired gents. One of my favorites is the 6.5x55, followed closely by the 250 Savage and 257 Roberts. Problem with the 250S and the 257R is availability of factory ammo and sometimes finding the reloading brass for them is a problem too. Own a couple of 6.5CMs too and the 7mm-08, they're worthy of consideration.

Am aware of a fair number of our range members that prefer using the 7mm-08 for deer hunting. Had a laugh one day at one of our board of directors checking the zero on his 7mm-08 rifle shortly before deer season. I comment to him about the 7mm-08 being a good cartridge for deer and etc. His reply was to comment, yea it took me about 5 years of using and getting beat by the recoil of a 300 win mag., to realize a 7mm-o8 killed a deer quite well.

[briandg]

300 magnum for deer. That's always funny. I suppose that The 300 using a partition will probably pop right through most of the deer I see around here,doing about the same amount of damage as the 7-08.

Brother in law bought a 7 Remington magnum for deer, and he wanted I just for one field. His stand was at one end, and it went out to about 400. He needed to shoot anywhere from point blank to quarter mile. The rest of the time he carried a 30-30.

[jimbob86]

Brother in law bought a 7 Remington magnum for deer, and he wanted I just for one field. His stand was at one end, and it went out to about 400. He needed to shoot anywhere from point blank to quarter mile.

He could do the same thing with about 10% less powder (and no stupid belt on the cases) with a .270 or .280 .........

[briandg]

I don't think that he cared about that, he bought it because he wanted it.

[jimbob86]

Ah, the power of marketing ....

[briandg]

Nope, it's what he wanted. He didn't want a .270 caliber or a .30 caliber, and the .280 is a dead number. At the time there were no other 7 mm cartridges that he could buy over the counter any day of the week anywhere in America.

That's pretty simple, isn't it?

[doofus47]

Glad your set, Olympus.
Take your new rifle to the range and let us know how she handles!

[Olympus]

Here are some photos before I get the scope mounted

[dakota.potts]

Good looking rifle. I got to play around with one at Cabela's. It's amazing how light and handy it is. Really falls into your arms. hard to convey without holding one.

[std7mag]

Olympus,

Glad you found the CZ you were looking for.

When I read your original post, I was kinda worried. The 120gr. bullets for the 7mm are varmint bullets.

As for the 257 Roberts. You really need to shoot it more. I buy 7x57 Mauser brass and neck it down. Much cheaper and more readily available than finding 257 Roberts brass.
Using Hodgdon Hybrid 100V I'm shooting 100gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips at 3127fps, and 115gr. Berger Hunting VLD to 2984fps. This using the non SAAMI +P pressures. (58,000 PSI).

[CarJunkieLS1]

120 grain 7mm bullets are NOT Varmint bullets. At least all of them aren't.

I wouldn't say the 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip, 120 grain Sierra Pro Hunter, and the 120 grain Barnes TTSX are Varmint bullets. In fact the 120 Nosler has a thicker jacket than the 140 Nosler and the 140 Nosler isn't considered a varmint bullet. Making a blanket statement like that is just plain wrong.

They also make a 120 grain Core-Lokt and a 120 grain Federal Fusion...neither of which are Varmint bullets.

[Nanuk]

I just built a pistol upper in 300 AAC, now i can change from 223 to 300 AAC. The 300AAC is a decent deer cartridge if you stay within 150 yards.