what the best milsurp rifle

smleno1mkIII · November 6, 2009, 12:05 AM

mauser arisaka einfield mosin etc.

smleno1mkIII · November 6, 2009, 12:12 AM

my personal favorite is my no1 mkIII Lee Enfield quick bolt holds 10 rounds accuracy is great .303 round not punishing at all reasonable power. The mkvII round is a killer did you know the brits put wood pulp in the nose of the bullet so it would tumble on impact messy lol.

emcon5 · November 6, 2009, 12:14 AM

M1.

smleno1mkIII · November 6, 2009, 12:20 AM

I like the m1 as well had one for awhile but the problem is finding one now adays that has a good barrel on it every on I see and look at the barrel is shoot out. Not to mention the rest of it usually looks truly awfull yet they still want 800 dollars for the dang thing

chow chow · November 6, 2009, 12:45 AM

M1 Garand
K 31
M 39

SKSs of all types
Mosins

smleno1mkIII · November 6, 2009, 01:02 AM

I've had all of thee above with the exception of the finn m39 would love to get my hands on one someday.

qwman68 · November 6, 2009, 02:02 AM

mosin

smleno1mkIII · November 6, 2009, 02:10 AM

I've had many Russian mosin nagant's 91/30 m38 m44 but would love to shoot a finn m28 m27 or m39 m28/30 I've heard they are excellent Simo Heyha the deadliest sniper ever known used an m28 with iron sights and killed many a Russian from 400 yards or more.the finns were so obssesed with accuracy that if there rifles didn't shoot under 2inches at 100 yards they were sent back to the armory because they were broken.

Pathfinder45 · November 6, 2009, 02:12 AM

.....it' a toss-up between the 1903 Springfield and the 1903A3 version. But, I've heard that there's something called a 1909 Argentine Mauser that shouldn't be overlooked either.

smleno1mkIII · November 6, 2009, 02:18 AM

mosin springfield garand there all so wonderful.

simonkenton · November 6, 2009, 09:01 AM

No question about it, Swedish Mauser.

Jim Watson · November 6, 2009, 09:38 AM

Whichever one you can still get surplus ammunition for.

There are a lot of Swedish Mausers in the back of the rack because the ammo has mostly been shot up. Looks like the Swiss and Mausers are headed that way fast.

emcon5 · November 6, 2009, 09:44 AM

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I like the m1 as well had one for awhile but the problem is finding one now adays that has a good barrel on it every on I see and look at the barrel is shoot out. Not to mention the rest of it usually looks truly awfull yet they still want 800 dollars for the dang thing

You can get a Field Grade from CMP for $500, or a Service grade for $600
http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm

Ignition Override · November 8, 2009, 12:48 AM

Jim Watson. Very good point.

The lower-cost surplus .303 ammo for LEs is getting scarce and this might help explain why so many rifles are available at gun shows.
This is why I'm learning to reload-just for the single caliber.

At two modest (?) gun shows, Batesville, MS in July and Memphis in September, there were a total of three original #3s and an original #4 "Jungle Carbine". A guy also had a WW1 vintage.
This was only on each Saturday, by about 1:00 PM. After buying a #4 in MS and the #5 in TN, I left and did not see what might have later appeared.

chow chow · November 8, 2009, 03:58 AM

With unemployment hitting new records, a lot of surplus rifles have been put on sale. Time to grab the ones u like but make sure u have ammo for it.

gandog56 · November 8, 2009, 11:18 AM

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There are a lot of Swedish Mausers in the back of the rack because the ammo has mostly been shot up. Looks like the Swiss and Mausers are headed that way fast.

That's just another reason to get off your butt and start reloading!

Jim Watson · November 8, 2009, 12:25 PM

Well, I do, but a lot of the guys are reluctant to spend more for reloading gear than they did for the rifle.

NYPD13 · November 8, 2009, 03:32 PM

Excluding the M1, It's a toss up between the German K98 and the Swiss K31. If ammo is a factor then I would include the Mosin 91/30.

destoyercarbine · November 10, 2009, 04:44 PM

The destroyer carbine.

SigP6Carry · November 10, 2009, 06:06 PM

You got ALOT of criteria to go with.
For quality of build: anything german or swiss
For accuracy: just about any of them as long as the barrel and crown is good and ammo is quality
For durability: just about any of them, they've survived decades of storage and trading hands after wars.
For historical significance: it depends on what you dig historically. If you like American History: M1, 1903, Carbine. If you like Russian history: M44, M38, M1891. The list goes on.
For ease of maintenance: Mosins. Such simple designs.
For sheer awesomeness: K31
For awkwardness: Arisakas.

It's not a simple "best"

tater134 · November 10, 2009, 06:37 PM

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You got ALOT of criteria to go with.
For quality of build: anything german or swiss
For accuracy: just about any of them as long as the barrel and crown is good and ammo is quality
For durability: just about any of them, they've survived decades of storage and trading hands after wars.
For historical significance: it depends on what you dig historically. If you like American History: M1, 1903, Carbine. If you like Russian history: M44, M38, M1891. The list goes on.
For ease of maintenance: Mosins. Such simple designs.
For sheer awesomeness: K31
For awkwardness: Arisakas.

I agree with just about everything said here but I gotta stick up for the Arisaka.I finially got a T99 about a year ago and after owning and shooting it I have alot more respect for the rifle.The bolt has to be the easiest to disassemble out of any of the bolt guns I own and its got an incredibly strong action.The only real disadvantage I see with the Arisaka rifles is ammo availability but if you reload its not a problem.

SigP6Carry · November 10, 2009, 06:44 PM

No. You misunderstand my "awkwardness" title. It's not that rifle itself is awkward to use or fire, but rather that it is historically awkward and misunderstood. I've heard so much stuff about how you can't shoot them because they blow up, but it's just a bunch of crying wolf. I like them, personally.

tater134 · November 10, 2009, 07:14 PM

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No. You misunderstand my "awkwardness" title. It's not that rifle itself is awkward to use or fire, but rather that it is historically awkward and misunderstood. I've heard so much stuff about how you can't shoot them because they blow up, but it's just a bunch of crying wolf. I like them, personally.

Ah okay now I get what you meant.I agree its definitely a very under appreciated rifle.

Webleymkv · November 10, 2009, 08:40 PM

For me: K31 with FN-49 close behind

SigP6Carry · November 10, 2009, 08:57 PM

you really can't go bad with a decent K31. The swiss never entered the war, officially, so they'll generally be in great condition (aside from beat up stocks, they used their rifles for everything but fighting). Samco still has plenty of GP11 ammo, which is match grade ball ammo, Sellier & Ballot has some great ammo and I believe Norma produces ammo for them still. People always talk about how the M1903 was the most accurate, but the K31 is built to better tolerances. Plus the straight pull bolt is FUN.

I've heard the Type 99 is a great shooter if you get one in good condition, too. The Mosins are pretty good for the price, though. My shoots about 1.25 minutes at 100yards and I paid 80 bucks for it, pretty good cost to accuracy ratio. Plus, the Mosin is a great "starter" surplus rifle.

November 6, 2009, 12:05 AM	#1
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smleno1mkIII Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2009 Location: washington state Posts: 176	I've had many Russian mosin nagant's 91/30 m38 m44 but would love to shoot a finn m28 m27 or m39 m28/30 I've heard they are excellent Simo Heyha the deadliest sniper ever known used an m28 with iron sights and killed many a Russian from 400 yards or more.the finns were so obssesed with accuracy that if there rifles didn't shoot under 2inches at 100 yards they were sent back to the armory because they were broken. Last edited by smleno1mkIII; November 6, 2009 at 02:17 AM.

November 6, 2009, 02:12 AM	#9
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	If we're talkin' bolt guns..... .....it' a toss-up between the 1903 Springfield and the 1903A3 version. But, I've heard that there's something called a 1909 Argentine Mauser that shouldn't be overlooked either.

November 8, 2009, 03:32 PM	#18
NYPD13 Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2008 Posts: 370	Excluding the M1, It's a toss up between the German K98 and the Swiss K31. If ammo is a factor then I would include the Mosin 91/30. __________________ "THE CONSTITUTION ONLY GIVES PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO PURSUE HAPPINESS, YOU HAVE TO CATCH IT YOURSELF." ~BENJAMIN FRANKLIN.

November 10, 2009, 06:06 PM	#20
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	You got ALOT of criteria to go with. For quality of build: anything german or swiss For accuracy: just about any of them as long as the barrel and crown is good and ammo is quality For durability: just about any of them, they've survived decades of storage and trading hands after wars. For historical significance: it depends on what you dig historically. If you like American History: M1, 1903, Carbine. If you like Russian history: M44, M38, M1891. The list goes on. For ease of maintenance: Mosins. Such simple designs. For sheer awesomeness: K31 For awkwardness: Arisakas. It's not a simple "best" __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-

November 6, 2009, 12:12 AM	#2
smleno1mkIII Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2009 Location: washington state Posts: 176	my personal favorite is my no1 mkIII Lee Enfield quick bolt holds 10 rounds accuracy is great .303 round not punishing at all reasonable power. The mkvII round is a killer did you know the brits put wood pulp in the nose of the bullet so it would tumble on impact messy lol.

November 6, 2009, 12:14 AM	#3
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	M1.

November 6, 2009, 12:20 AM	#4
smleno1mkIII Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2009 Location: washington state Posts: 176	I like the m1 as well had one for awhile but the problem is finding one now adays that has a good barrel on it every on I see and look at the barrel is shoot out. Not to mention the rest of it usually looks truly awfull yet they still want 800 dollars for the dang thing

November 6, 2009, 12:45 AM	#5
chow chow Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2007 Posts: 157	M1 Garand K 31 M 39 SKSs of all types Mosins

November 6, 2009, 01:02 AM	#6
smleno1mkIII Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2009 Location: washington state Posts: 176	I've had all of thee above with the exception of the finn m39 would love to get my hands on one someday.

November 6, 2009, 02:02 AM	#7
qwman68 Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2009 Location: Crimson Tide Country Posts: 359	mosin

November 6, 2009, 02:18 AM	#10
smleno1mkIII Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2009 Location: washington state Posts: 176	mosin springfield garand there all so wonderful.

November 6, 2009, 09:01 AM	#11
simonkenton Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2008 Posts: 891	No question about it, Swedish Mauser.

November 6, 2009, 09:38 AM	#12
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Whichever one you can still get surplus ammunition for. There are a lot of Swedish Mausers in the back of the rack because the ammo has mostly been shot up. Looks like the Swiss and Mausers are headed that way fast.

November 8, 2009, 12:48 AM	#14
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,887	Jim Watson. Very good point. The lower-cost surplus .303 ammo for LEs is getting scarce and this might help explain why so many rifles are available at gun shows. This is why I'm learning to reload-just for the single caliber. At two modest (?) gun shows, Batesville, MS in July and Memphis in September, there were a total of three original #3s and an original #4 "Jungle Carbine". A guy also had a WW1 vintage. This was only on each Saturday, by about 1:00 PM. After buying a #4 in MS and the #5 in TN, I left and did not see what might have later appeared.

November 8, 2009, 03:58 AM	#15
chow chow Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2007 Posts: 157	With unemployment hitting new records, a lot of surplus rifles have been put on sale. Time to grab the ones u like but make sure u have ammo for it.

November 8, 2009, 12:25 PM	#17
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Well, I do, but a lot of the guys are reluctant to spend more for reloading gear than they did for the rifle.

November 10, 2009, 04:44 PM	#19
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	The destroyer carbine.

November 10, 2009, 06:44 PM	#22
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	No. You misunderstand my "awkwardness" title. It's not that rifle itself is awkward to use or fire, but rather that it is historically awkward and misunderstood. I've heard so much stuff about how you can't shoot them because they blow up, but it's just a bunch of crying wolf. I like them, personally. __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-

November 10, 2009, 08:40 PM	#24
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	For me: K31 with FN-49 close behind

November 10, 2009, 08:57 PM	#25
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	you really can't go bad with a decent K31. The swiss never entered the war, officially, so they'll generally be in great condition (aside from beat up stocks, they used their rifles for everything but fighting). Samco still has plenty of GP11 ammo, which is match grade ball ammo, Sellier & Ballot has some great ammo and I believe Norma produces ammo for them still. People always talk about how the M1903 was the most accurate, but the K31 is built to better tolerances. Plus the straight pull bolt is FUN. I've heard the Type 99 is a great shooter if you get one in good condition, too. The Mosins are pretty good for the price, though. My shoots about 1.25 minutes at 100yards and I paid 80 bucks for it, pretty good cost to accuracy ratio. Plus, the Mosin is a great "starter" surplus rifle. __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-