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You think less would?
.... If more people have the opportunity to get in some hunting time - it's safe conjecture that more deer are going to be harvested. Explain why you find that illogical conjecture. |
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Thank you 44..
It's refreshing to see a polite dissenting opinion. |
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It amazes me how many of you seem to know lawbreakers.
I don't know anyone who poaches. A couple of my neighbors even have restrictions above the states - one will not allow does to be taken on his land. I guess you are the people to ask - do poachers actually wait for the laws to change to modify their behavior? I always assumed they were like any other criminal - oblivious to or simply uncaring about laws. |
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^^^...and this is what really contributes to total amount of deer taken. Limited access to private land and when there is access, there are generally conditions. Several years back, when Wisconsin first discovered CWD, they opened up the area with the hopes of eliminating every deer in the area. They had gun seasons that ran from September thru February with unlimited buck and doe tags. But, with 90% of the land in the area privately owned, there were not significantly more deer shot, because the land owners dictated who shot what. Now yes, deer on public lands were decimated, but next door on public land they still were plentiful.
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Several of the neighbors in my area are a big part of the inspiration for this idea.
They would like to hunt on their property - and some do - on weekends. If it's not raining or blowing snow - both ofvwhich are frequent this time of year. Hunting is not top priority to them. They wont spend the money on a license the are not likely to use - and are even less likely to take time off work or burn up what little vacation time they have. This doesn't make them the enemy. They just have different priorities. Several of them said they would hunt in the evening for an hour or two if it was legal - but because it's not an option - don't. A few let friends and family hunt their property. Most simply become defacto wildlife refuges. |
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I'm not sure there's any credibility left in this thread. Sounds like it's trying to "walk back" at this point.
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NSB - you made it very clear in your first reply that you were vehemently opposed to the idea.
I don't expect you to change your opinion. But - I would be interested to hear why you feel that we need to be "sporting" in our taking of game animals. Just because I don't see a need to do things your way gives me no less right to take game however I see fit - as long as it's legal. |
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I hang around with some older guys who like to tell stories. One always talks about how they would have 1,2,3 deer hanging in the barn the day before season opened and those deer were reserved for camp food. Even joked about the Warden coming in and eating with him. That guys 90. Another talks about when there was a 100 point system for duck hunting and a hen was worth 100 points so they would step on them and bury them in the mud because one bird isn't worth hunting. Another guy use to shoot his limit of pheasants and his dads who rode along with him. I was fishing in michigan once and these guys came back to the lodge with their limit of walleye all undersized. They were from Wisconsin. In some areas of wisconsin there is no size limit. Someone called the DNR before I saw them and they were fined and fish were confiscated. Caught a guy scouting this area that would be great for duck hunting. I was fishing and he asked why nobody hunted this area full of ducks. You should have saw the look on his face when I said it was a wildlife refuge. Pretty sure he was going to hunt there the next day. We have an area here where one side of the hunting property is shotgun only due to the municipality. The other side is everything goes due to the other municipality. The police and Dnr tend to steer people back to the right areas. 3 years ago 3 guys shot almost 60 ducks over loose corn near grand rapids michigan. This year 2 guys shot 2 swans in northern michigan and were found with leadshot on them. Some mistakes are honest and some intentional.
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1. I guess if you can't explain something that is supposed to be so clear cut - it isn't.
2. I obey all hunting laws. Me looking to get the laws changed does not make me a rule breaker. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. |
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Sometimes folks get an idea that they think is a sure thing, come on an online forum, post about it and then do not get the replies they expected or desired. Nuttin' wrong with it, just how it happens. Nature of the beast. The OP's title to this thread is "An idea to consider". Yet, when we considered it, he was upset with our replies. Ask for an opinion and you have to be able to accept the answer. When I was in construction, folks with little or no experience with carpentry would always have to suggest "better" ways to build a house. When I coached/refereed youth and High School Hockey, folks with only a casual knowledge of the game always knew the rules and how to coach than I did. Neighbor across the street with the worst looking yard in the neighborhood, is always giving me advice on how I should fertilize/mow/landscape my yard. The issue isn't that they have ideas and opinions, it's that those opinions and ideas are not based on fact or experience. Things always look easy from outside the box. Same goes for hunting rules and regs. Hard to find anyone happy with all they have to abide by. Someone always has a better idea. Generally that "better" idea will benefit them and the way they hunt. But what wildlife managers and biologist has to consider, is what's best for everybody. The game animals, the hunters and the general public. They have to consider ethics, safety and hunter image, along with controlling numbers. They cannot dictate weather, nor tell private land owners to allow access or tell individual hunters what they should shoot. They can tell us what we can shoot, but what we do shoot, is up to us. Hunting has come along way in terms of safety since I started to hunt. used to be there were dozens of people shot and several deaths every year during the 9 day gun season from gunshot wounds. Now it's seldom we hear of a gunshot wound not self-inflicted, and deaths from gunshots are rare. The implementation of Blaze Orange has been a big part of this. Blaze orange allows hunters to see other hunters in the woods and a greater distances than without it. Hunting at night would take that away. |
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For a few years after that I hunted 2-3 miles from that spot. Didn't get any deer but also didn't get shot.
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One of the most famous examples was the Kaibab deer. Its not just deer, any animal will do the same under the same kind of conditions. Remove predators, remove human hunting, and the animal population will breed until all the food is gone, then nearly all starve. If you need to reduce deer population in a particular area (for the deer's own good) there are ways to do it that don't involve every jerk who can buy a license and a spotlight (or worse, night vision gear) running around the woods in the dark. As to WHY we have rules and restictions, if the words SPORT and GAME don't tip you off, I'm not sure what will explain it to you. Its not survival hunting, its not pest control, tis not protecting your livestock or harvest. Its a SPORT. Its a GAME and games have rules, or they aren't games. Don't like the rules? Take it up with the rules committee. OR, find another game.
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Not a fan of this idea, couple of reasons:
- 1) How does a warden/ conservation officer determine what is legal night hunting and illegal, shoot from the roadway, outlaw hunting? Hunting in the dark will require some means of seeing in the dark, either a light source, or some type of NVG. But a very convenient and common light source is the headlights from a vehicle. My opinion is that such a law would simply open the door to widespread shooting from the roadways. - 2) General firearms safety, how can one possibly identify their target and beyond in the dark in every location? How can one be absolutely sure of the location of his hunting partners if they are afoot on a stalk? Some of the video I watch of night hunting hogs in TX makes me cringe, with all the lights, buildings and livestock in the background and shooters lined up in the dark blazing away. -3)Fair chase. Either you get it, or you don't. No words from either camp apparently will change either parties mind. I hunt for the challenge and the enjoyment as much as for meat. In fact, I'd wager the price per pound for venison is FAR higher than beef, when all the costs are considered for most folks. Poachers. Spent the better part of 30+ yrs dealing with outlaw hunters, poachers, etc. Some folks have an idea of the scale of the problem, but I think a lot of people don't have a clue, the OP's comment being one example. I had one half mile of cornfields along a remote section of roadway where I picked up a gallon bag of empty hulls along the road edge over the course of a winter, left by night hunters,and those were the cases that ejected out of the vehicles and we were able to find. We worked it hard, made some cases, the intensity declined, but it never stopped and is still ongoing I am certain. And then there are the "opportunists". Decent folks, normally, but when faced with an opportunity to shoot, or increase their chances of taking a deer, say by crossing a boundary line or by doing a bit of road hunting or illegal baiting, they'll do it if they think they can get away with it. Then there are the folks who just don't care about the law. My family has an elderly friend, out of state. He hunts private property in Amish country, has for years, and much of the game he kills he gives to the landowner. He takes, by admission, well over his state limit every season of deer and turkey both. Doesn't bother with tagging or reporting, likely never will get caught due to the difficulty accessing the property by authorities. Heck of a nice guy, but a game law violator of the highest order. |
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I could see extending hunting hours by a couple either direction for archery hunting but I think doing the same during rifle season would be just plain dangerous...
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i'm totally opposed to hunting deer at night. For one thing "road hunters" will kill more livestock.
Despite generous bag limits, most of Oklahoma is over run with deer. The exception is "Little Dixie" in the SE part of the state. Scofflaws there poach deer 24 hours per day all year long. Next year OWDC will extend deer season/s. |
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