Herter's .45 LC for 1858 conversion cylinder?

DavidB2 · February 22, 2016, 02:15 PM

Cabelas has a good sale going on Herter's .45 LC. It's a lead flat nose 250 grain bullet. However I can't find ballistics to how it compares to marked cowboy action loads. On the S & B ballistics (understand that S&B made Herter's ammo)table it showed their 250 grain flat nose to shoot in the 775 FPS range. The Taylirs website on conversions said load under 850 fps range are considered cowboy action and okay to shoot in these conversion cylinders. Just curious as to the actual Herter's 250 LC FPS speed; and whether the SAMMI specs are safe for shooting in my 1858?

Kaiser Soeze · February 24, 2016, 10:58 PM

I found the following at Cabelas website using a googly search for "herters 45 colt specs" it is from 2 years 8 months ago but lists the product stock code in the answer.

'The Herter's Select Grade Handgun Ammunition, item # IK-218178, .45 Colt has the following specifications: Caliber: .45 Colt (Long Colt), Bullet: 250-gr. lead round nose, Claimed muzzle velocity: 708 FPS, Muzzle energy: 278 ft.-lb., Reloadable brass case.
Best Answer
answered 2 years, 8 months ago
By
CabelasExpert20'

Hope this helps.

BlackPowderBen · February 24, 2016, 11:35 PM

Good info Kaiser. How are you liking your remington 1858 you got a few months back?

Kaiser Soeze · February 25, 2016, 02:07 AM

BP Ben. It is still with Mike at Goons Gun Works. I know it is hungry for some BP. I will post my first shots when I have it.

drobs · February 25, 2016, 06:06 AM

Regarding Cabelas - At $0.608 a round that aint much of a deal.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shoot...Tz_stype%3DGNU

SG Ammo has this ammo at $0.459 a round:
http://www.sgammo.com/product/45-lon...an-cowboy-ammo

freedom475 · February 25, 2016, 09:48 AM

The 58 conversions are safe for just about ANY standard 45 colt ammo. ..But in my experience the heavy 250/270gr bullets hit VERY high out of a Remington!!! Not much fun to shoot when you can't even aim at your target.

H.W. French · February 25, 2016, 12:04 PM

drobs, that ACA is 200gr compared to the Herter's 250gr. Might matter to some folks. I shoot neither and am ignorant as to the quality of the components used for either.

Branko · February 25, 2016, 04:28 PM

Quote:

The 58 conversions are safe for just about ANY standard 45 colt ammo. ..But in my experience the heavy 250/270gr bullets hit VERY high out of a Remington!!! Not much fun to shoot when you can't even aim at your target.

A guy who shoots at my range had a gunsmith install a wide and quite tall sight of his Pietta 1858 to get around this. It didn't cost him very much.

freedom475 · February 25, 2016, 06:42 PM

Yeah Branko, A tall front sight would remedy the hitting high....but it just feels like overkill to me to run my Remington with such heavy bullets, and I shoot deer with mine!

I know guys are running BIG bullets to hunt hogs,,, but I think I would just get a bigger gun if I was going after something bigger than deer instead of abusing my favorite Remington.

drobs · February 25, 2016, 11:46 PM

Here's a couple more brands to look at under $0.60rd:
http://www.ammospy.net/ammo/45-colt

deerslayer303 · February 27, 2016, 10:06 PM

I just drive to Sportsman's Warehouse and buy HSM (29.99) and with Mil. discount I get em for about 27.00 bucks a box. This is to feed my Pietta SAA Clone.

Oh HSM uses STARLINE Brass!! DOUBLE PLUS! One of these days I'll get set up to cast and reload 45 Colt (lord do I hate when people say 45 LONG COLT), but for now I just buy em, shoot, save brass!

February 22, 2016, 02:15 PM	#1
DavidB2 Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2008 Posts: 129	Herter's .45 LC for 1858 conversion cylinder? Cabelas has a good sale going on Herter's .45 LC. It's a lead flat nose 250 grain bullet. However I can't find ballistics to how it compares to marked cowboy action loads. On the S & B ballistics (understand that S&B made Herter's ammo)table it showed their 250 grain flat nose to shoot in the 775 FPS range. The Taylirs website on conversions said load under 850 fps range are considered cowboy action and okay to shoot in these conversion cylinders. Just curious as to the actual Herter's 250 LC FPS speed; and whether the SAMMI specs are safe for shooting in my 1858?

February 24, 2016, 10:58 PM	#2
Kaiser Soeze Junior Member Join Date: November 6, 2007 Location: In sight of the Dallas Skyline Posts: 5	I found the following at Cabelas website using a googly search for "herters 45 colt specs" it is from 2 years 8 months ago but lists the product stock code in the answer. 'The Herter's Select Grade Handgun Ammunition, item # IK-218178, .45 Colt has the following specifications: Caliber: .45 Colt (Long Colt), Bullet: 250-gr. lead round nose, Claimed muzzle velocity: 708 FPS, Muzzle energy: 278 ft.-lb., Reloadable brass case. Best Answer answered 2 years, 8 months ago By CabelasExpert20' Hope this helps. __________________ Either lead, follow or get out of my way. NRA Endowment - Life Texas State Rifle Association

February 24, 2016, 11:35 PM	#3
BlackPowderBen Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Posts: 380	Good info Kaiser. How are you liking your remington 1858 you got a few months back? __________________ "If you have to shoot, shoot! Dont talk"

February 25, 2016, 02:07 AM	#4
Kaiser Soeze Junior Member Join Date: November 6, 2007 Location: In sight of the Dallas Skyline Posts: 5	BP Ben. It is still with Mike at Goons Gun Works. I know it is hungry for some BP. I will post my first shots when I have it. __________________ Either lead, follow or get out of my way. NRA Endowment - Life Texas State Rifle Association

February 25, 2016, 09:48 AM	#6
freedom475 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: Rocky Mountains of Montana Posts: 292	The 58 conversions are safe for just about ANY standard 45 colt ammo. ..But in my experience the heavy 250/270gr bullets hit VERY high out of a Remington!!! Not much fun to shoot when you can't even aim at your target. __________________ Maker of Horse Tack and Cowboy Gear. www.7xleather.com Mister, why do you carry a 45? "Cause Sam Colt don't make a 46."

February 25, 2016, 06:06 AM	#5
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Regarding Cabelas - At $0.608 a round that aint much of a deal. http://www.cabelas.com/product/shoot...Tz_stype%3DGNU SG Ammo has this ammo at $0.459 a round: http://www.sgammo.com/product/45-lon...an-cowboy-ammo

February 25, 2016, 12:04 PM	#7
H.W. French Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2009 Location: Blue Ridge Plateau Posts: 151	250/200 drobs, that ACA is 200gr compared to the Herter's 250gr. Might matter to some folks. I shoot neither and am ignorant as to the quality of the components used for either.

February 25, 2016, 06:42 PM	#9
freedom475 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: Rocky Mountains of Montana Posts: 292	Yeah Branko, A tall front sight would remedy the hitting high....but it just feels like overkill to me to run my Remington with such heavy bullets, and I shoot deer with mine! I know guys are running BIG bullets to hunt hogs,,, but I think I would just get a bigger gun if I was going after something bigger than deer instead of abusing my favorite Remington. __________________ Maker of Horse Tack and Cowboy Gear. www.7xleather.com Mister, why do you carry a 45? "Cause Sam Colt don't make a 46."

February 25, 2016, 11:46 PM	#10
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Here's a couple more brands to look at under $0.60rd: http://www.ammospy.net/ammo/45-colt

February 27, 2016, 10:06 PM	#11
deerslayer303 Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2011 Location: Leesville SC Posts: 2,653	I just drive to Sportsman's Warehouse and buy HSM (29.99) and with Mil. discount I get em for about 27.00 bucks a box. This is to feed my Pietta SAA Clone. Oh HSM uses STARLINE Brass!! DOUBLE PLUS! One of these days I'll get set up to cast and reload 45 Colt (lord do I hate when people say 45 LONG COLT), but for now I just buy em, shoot, save brass! __________________ "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson