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Old February 28, 2012, 08:02 PM   #1
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Makarov?

I was just looking for a good place to pick up one of these? Thanks
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Old February 28, 2012, 08:17 PM   #2
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I got a 30 year old CZ-82 from Robertson Trading Post (http://www.robertsontradingpost.com/) via gunsAmerica.com that shoots like a dream. It's not a beauty queen, but is a lot of fun. I'm going to have a local gunsmith give me an estimate on refinishing the pistol, but the way it looks does give it character. Mechanically,no issues and the bore is bright and clean. As a plus it eats "Silver Bear" ammo like candy, no FTF or FTE. Fun to shoot and likes cheap ammo, what's not to like.
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Old February 28, 2012, 08:42 PM   #3
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The well does seem to be running dry, I got one abut 8 months ago from J&G sales out of Prescott, AZ, A Bulgarian Mak in very good condition. I don't know if they have any left or not.
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Old February 28, 2012, 09:01 PM   #4
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Gander Mountain here in WV has a Hungarian gun that shoots 9x18 for $200.
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Old February 28, 2012, 09:08 PM   #5
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You may want to check this one at gunsAmerica:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/980550646..._9mm_pisto.htm
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Old February 28, 2012, 11:25 PM   #6
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I've found some good deals on Gunbroker. It can work out good if you do your homework and use discretion... I have a strong preference for the CZ 82 or 83... My refurbished 82 is one of my very favorite guns.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=makarov
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Old February 28, 2012, 11:59 PM   #7
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Personally, I would take a CZ 82 over a Makarov any day of the week. Same caliber, higher capacity, better safety lever, more comfortable to shoot, very accurate with a nice trigger. The Czechs had to use the same caliber, but made sure the rest of the gun was better. J & G Sales has these still.
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Old February 29, 2012, 12:05 AM   #8
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Gander Mountain here in WV has a Hungarian gun that shoots 9x18 for $200.
Very likely a P64 for that price. Not a bad pistol but it's not a Makarov.
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Old February 29, 2012, 03:26 AM   #9
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I bought a Russian 380acp for $199 (in really good condition) at a pawn shop in a suburb of Memphis TN back in November. Same day I went to a gun show in town and saw about 5 or 6 of the same gun (Varying condition) and probably 10 in the original caliber. All were around $250.

So, based on my experience, if you really want on go to a gun show. It might not be the best price, but if you want it go for it.

FWIW, I believe these guns are worth more than that. I have been really impressed with mine. The best $200-$250 gun you can buy. I have purchased 5 total handguns that were under $250:

Makarov 380 (used $199)
Taurus TCP 380 (new $199)
Kel Tec P3AT 380 (new $189)
Kel Tec PF9 9mm (new $249)
Kel Tec P11 9mm (new $249)

The makarov is the best of the bunch. Built like a tank, accurate, can't make it jam. The only down size is (mine) it is a little large and heavy for a 380
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Old February 29, 2012, 04:52 AM   #10
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Any Mak, any CZ, over any caliber Taurus or any Kel Tec, any day.
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Old February 29, 2012, 05:07 AM   #11
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Aimsurplus.com still has the CZ82 listed for $219
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Old February 29, 2012, 07:13 AM   #12
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CZ-82's and P-64's aren't "Makarovs". The Pistolet Makarov is not being made nor imported anymore. The supply here in the U.S. is finite. You'll have to buy them on the secondary market. The days of the $100 Mak are over.
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Old February 29, 2012, 08:05 AM   #13
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I can't remember which one my friend has, it's not the CZ-82 or the hungarian one, can't remember where it's from, for sure not a Russian. But it's a really reliable gun. I really wanted a CZ-82 at one time but didn't want to deal with having to get it off the Internet.
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Old February 29, 2012, 09:21 AM   #14
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CZ-82's and P-64's aren't "Makarovs". The Pistolet Makarov is not being made nor imported anymore.
Made, perhaps not, but several importers recently brought in some Bulgarian Maks, although they were offered in the mid-$200 range.

Here's a more thorough explanation regarding the "What's a Makarov and What's Not" issue.

The Pistolet Makarov or Makarov PM was the original pistol that used the 9x18mm Makarov round. The PM is a fixed-sight 8+1rd single-stack DA/SA semi-auto with a slide-mounted decocker/safety. Original PMs were made in Russia, Bulgaria, East Germany, China, and perhaps some other Soviet client states. Most of these pistols originally had dark red or black Bakelite plastic grips which usually incorporate a small lanyard loop on one side. Most had few (if any!) original slide markings. Some are C&R eligible.

Many Russian-made commercial Makarov PM variants were sold in the USA in the 1990s. These pistols are readily differentiated from the original military-style Maks because they have adjustable rear sights, extensive English-language slide markings, and (usually) black soft rubber grips instead of Bakelite. Most were marked IJ-70 and sold under various trade names including Baikal, Izhmash, and Big Bear. Some were .380ACP, and some featured a widened grip frame and 12rd double-stack mag; the latter pistols were confusingly marked with the same IJ-70 model number. These pistols are no longer sold in the USA due to federal import regulations on Russian firearms, but they're common on the secondhand market. These pistols are NOT C&R eligible.

A wide variety of Eastern European pistols were chambered for the 9x18mm Makarov round but are not technically Makarov pistols. Unfortunately, many vendors erroneously label them as such. These include:
  • The CZ 82, a Czech-produced military sidearm that is basically identical to the commercially-offered CZ 83, except that the 82 has polygonal rifling and a .380ACP variant was not produced. This is a 12+1rd double-stack pistol that is very comparable to the Beretta 80-series Cheetah, both in its good points (highly accurate and refined) and its bad points (relatively heavy and complex with lots of snaggy protrusions). These are C&R eligible.
  • The Polish Radom P-64 and P-83 Wanad, which are single-stack DA/SA pistols patterned after but not directly copied from the Walther PP. The P-83 is a refined and updated version of the P-64. These are also C&R eligible.
  • The Bulgarian FEG PA-63, a single-stack DA/SA pistol that is almost a direct PP clone. The similar AP9 and PMK-380 are commercial .380ACP variants. These are NOT C&R eligible.
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Old February 29, 2012, 09:29 AM   #15
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Aimsurplus.com still has the CZ82 listed for $219
I've been wanting a CZ82 for quite some time, and when I saw this thread I went to a few sites that I buy from, most of them don't have any in stock. So I ordered one from AIM. Maybe the well is running dry for the 82's. As far as buying online, I don't think anyone should worry about it. I've bought numerous C&R firearms on line and have always been happy. I think that most of the online retailers try their best to sell decent firearms, after all they know you are buying sight unseen. Classic Arms and Wideners are great to buy from. We will see what AIM sends me.
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Old February 29, 2012, 11:36 AM   #16
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Real Makarov or CZ-82 and other similar guns that shoot the 9x18 round? A real Makarov will set you back $300 to $400 depending on condition and locale. A CZ-82, P64, or PA63 will set you back ~$200 or so.
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Old March 1, 2012, 12:19 PM   #17
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Of those chambered for the 9x18mm MAKAROV cartridge, the surplus CZ 82 is the best buy.
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Old March 6, 2012, 03:49 PM   #18
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My two Bulgarian Makarovs purchased ~5 years ago for ~$200 each; they are both wonderful shooters...
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:27 PM   #19
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I have this Russian IJ-70 Makarov for sale. PM me if your interested.

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Old March 6, 2012, 08:49 PM   #20
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The Polish Radom P-64 and P-83 Wanad, which are single-stack DA/SA pistols patterned after but not directly copied from the Walther PP. The P-83 is a refined and updated version of the P-64. These are also C&R eligible.
Is the P-83 C&R? I hadn't heard that before.
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Old March 7, 2012, 08:29 AM   #21
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The P-83 is a refined and updated version of the P-64. These are also C&R eligible.
Not really. The P-83 is not a refined and updated version of the P-64. It's a totally different design.
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Old March 7, 2012, 08:42 AM   #22
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Gander Mountain here in WV has a Hungarian gun that shoots 9x18 for $200.

Sounds like the FEG P63. Nice walther type clone but the trigger pull is a bitch until you change the springs, then its a good shooter.

My friend has a Polish P64 and that is one of the most punishing handguns I have shot. Two magazines were enough for me.

I have the FEG P63, three Bulgarian Makarovs and a CZ 82. The 82 is the most accurate of the bunch. However the Bulgie Maks are not bad either. Two are military and one is an Arsenal build.

$140 for the P63 used, add another $15 for spring replacement.
$150-$220 for the Bulgarian Maks.
$180 for the CZ82

Maks usually don't last long in my area. In the last 5 yrs. I have only seen two Bulgarian Maks and I snapped them up immediately. The P63's and CZ82 are more prevalent.
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Old March 7, 2012, 10:58 AM   #23
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Makarov

If you wait and keep looking check out gunbrokers there is guy who gets unissued BG maks and gets $350-375 They are well worth it.
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Old March 22, 2012, 04:36 PM   #25
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My FEG pa63 is now my main carry weapon. Damn thing just works and I have better shot placing ability with it than I ever had with my Ruger lcp or LC9. Great gun!
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