The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: Bolt, Lever, and Pump Action

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 13, 2018, 11:06 AM   #1
taylorce1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2005
Location: On the Santa Fe Trail
Posts: 6,951
Ruger Precision .22 LR

Anyone handled the Ruger Precision .22 LR? My daughter has expressed an interest in learning to shoot long range and I'm thinking it might be a great teaching tool. We have a local 300 yard range, we can shoot at within five miles. Because of terrain, buildings, and neighbors I'm only good to 200 yards on my little 11 acre property.

The major issue is it is a full day to drive, set up, and shoot anything past 300 yards. I work pretty much on call and can't be more than 1.5-2 hours away from work unless I'm taking vacation or an unpaid personal day, and if I'm on call I'd be rushing everything to make shooting past 300 yards happen if I was near the top of the call roster. I have plenty of rifles that'll I could teach her with, but shooting mainly 300 yards or less with a .204, .223, .243, or one of my 6mm wildcat rounds isn't going to teach her any real long range skills.

I'm just thinking that this rifle with a fixed 6X or 10X scope with a MIL or MOA reticle with matching adjustments might be the trick for some down and dirty LR .22 LR practice. The other plus is even good target ammo for a .22 LR is cheap practice compared to the time it takes me to develop a load, then load enough for her to shoot enough to learn the basics of LR shooting. I was lucky the military paid for most of my ammunition most of my adult life for me to learn the basics. Then when I do have vacation or take an unpaid day we can go put her practice to the test with some larger calibers out to 600 and beyond on some AR500 plates.
__________________
NRA Life Member
taylorce1 is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 11:17 AM   #2
603Country
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 6, 2011
Location: Thornton, Texas
Posts: 3,484
Sounds like a great idea to me. Rainbow trajectory and dialing for distance. Yup!
603Country is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 11:47 AM   #3
CalmerThanYou
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 16, 2017
Posts: 300
Best Idea I have heard in a long time. You both will be hooked, in short time.
CalmerThanYou is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 12:22 PM   #4
Pathfinder45
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 7, 2008
Posts: 2,540
It looks futuristic and downright ugly to me. But I suppose, in this era, no one would buy a Walnut stocked target rifle, like the Winchester 52 or Remington 541T, etc. But if you like it, enjoy....
Pathfinder45 is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 01:21 PM   #5
T. O'Heir
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 10,286
"...my little 11 acre property..." Really isn't big enough for range of any kind except air guns. Unless you're waaay out on the Santa Fe Trail. You need several klicks with nothing on it for a fall zone even with a .22.
In any case, a .22 LR isn't a long range cartridge. 125 yards max in reality. And you'd need to consider the wind. Moreso using a rifle with a folding stock.
Real long range skills are mostly about reading the mirage and wind(range flags). That can be done with a .22 at 200. Mind you, .22's get boring in a hurry.
"...time it takes me..." Her. Not you. Changes one's attitude towards shooting when there's a bit of work involved.
"...work pretty much on call..." 24/7?
__________________
Spelling and grammar count!
T. O'Heir is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 01:46 PM   #6
jmr40
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 15, 2008
Location: Georgia
Posts: 9,189
I may well buy one even though I've not even seen one yet. My local range only goes to 300 but I've been shooting at 200-250 yards for a couple of years with a Ruger 10/22 LVT and a Leupold 3-9X, VX-2 with dials. I've seen people shoot 22's well past 300 yards.

Yea, after a while a 22 at 50-100 yards does get boring, but I've been placing clay targets on the ground at various ranges between 200-250 yards and that is both challenging and fun.

I zero'd at 50 then by trial and error figured out where to twist the dials for 100 and 200 yards. When I get time I'm going to see what I can do at 300, but may not have enough adjustment to go that far.

I've been using CCI-Mini Mags 36 gr HP bullets. I'm good for 1 MOA consistently at 50 and 100 yards. I've shot a few 2" groups at 200, but those are less common. Around 2.5-3" are more common at 200. It doesn't take much wind to open things up.

I get SLIGHTLY better accuracy at 50 and 100 with slower match grade ammo but with considerably more drop at 100. The faster ammo has been good enough and I've just not taken the time to figure out the drops with the match ammo at longer ranges yet.

I think you and your daughter will really enjoy the challenge.
__________________
"If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong"

Winston Churchill

Last edited by jmr40; January 13, 2018 at 01:56 PM.
jmr40 is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 02:24 PM   #7
mikejonestkd
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 3, 2006
Location: Brockport, NY
Posts: 3,201
We regularly shoot 22LR out to 250 yards. Its a fun process to learn to dial in the drop and read the wind.
You don't need a fancy new rifle to do it, any 22 that can consistently shoot less than 1" groups at 50 yards will still get you in the game at longer ranges.
Quality optics will make it easier for her.
__________________
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
mikejonestkd is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 09:01 PM   #8
taylorce1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2005
Location: On the Santa Fe Trail
Posts: 6,951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pathfinder45
It looks futuristic and downright ugly to me. But I suppose, in this era, no one would buy a Walnut stocked target rifle, like the Winchester 52 or Remington 541T, etc. But if you like it, enjoy....
Won't argue with you on how it looks, but for the price of a good Remington 541T I can buy the rifle and scope it. For the price of a god Winchester 52 I can buy two Rugers with optics. Plus the Ruger has an adjustable stock which makes it easy to fit to my daughter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T. O'Heir
"...my little 11 acre property..." Really isn't big enough for range of any kind except air guns. Unless you're waaay out on the Santa Fe Trail. You need several klicks with nothing on it for a fall zone even with a .22.
First off I wouldn't shoot on my property if it wasn't safe to do so, I also bought acerage so I don't have people telling me what I can and can't do on it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T. O'Heir
In any case, a .22 LR isn't a long range cartridge. 125 yards max in reality. And you'd need to consider the wind. Moreso using a rifle with a folding stock.
Real long range skills are mostly about reading the mirage and wind(range flags). That can be done with a .22 at 200. Mind you, .22's get boring in a hurry.
I don't know how you keep coming up with arbitrary numbers like 125 yards, as long as you're hitting the target the .22 LR can be used way beyond 125 yards. We aren't hunting, I'm using the .22 as a teaching tool do read wind, mirage, and calculate shooting solutions. I realize that .22's on paper get boring real quick, However, reactive targets don't get as boring, and as long as I keep it competitive I think she'll be alright.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T. O'Heir
"...time it takes me..." Her. Not you. Changes one's attitude towards shooting when there's a bit of work involved.
She's 14 and I'm not turning her loose at the bench to load her own ammunition, when she shows no interest in doing so. I've tried teaching her in the past but she gets bored with it quickly, so she'll be a factory ammunition shooter when I'm gone. What I'm trying to foster is a love for shooting and hunting in my daughter as that is what she seems to be interested in.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T. O'Heir
"...work pretty much on call..." 24/7?
Yes, I'm on call 24/7 365 days a year. I have no scheduled time off like weekends or holidays. I'm handsomely compensated for this but it makes it very hard to plan things at times. Some days I can predict when I'm going to work to within an hour or two, and some days it's a mystery. There are a couple of jobs that have scheduled weekend days, but either I don't have the seniority to hold it, or I'm working 150 miles away from home and living in a hotel paid by the company all week.
__________________
NRA Life Member

Last edited by taylorce1; January 16, 2018 at 10:28 AM.
taylorce1 is offline  
Old January 13, 2018, 09:18 PM   #9
Scorch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2006
Location: Washington state
Posts: 13,392
I haven't seen any of these yet, but I hope Ruger does a better job with the barrels than they did on the 77/22 Target Grey. Not that my 77/22 TG shoots bad, but it doesn't shoot good, either. My 541T will out-shoot it, and my Ruger with a Lilja barrel shot so much better that I considered buying another Lilja barrel and put it on the 77/22 TG.
__________________
Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs.
But what do I know?
Summit Arms Services
Taylor Machine
Scorch is offline  
Old January 15, 2018, 01:27 PM   #10
taylorce1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2005
Location: On the Santa Fe Trail
Posts: 6,951
Well I missed the boat on that rifle, went to order it and CDNN was out of stock. I've looked around and haven't found one for $399 again yet. Guess I'll have to wait until more become available.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorch
I haven't seen any of these yet, but I hope Ruger does a better job with the barrels than they did on the 77/22 Target Grey. Not that my 77/22 TG shoots bad, but it doesn't shoot good, either. My 541T will out-shoot it, and my Ruger with a Lilja barrel shot so much better that I considered buying another Lilja barrel and put it on the 77/22 TG.
Nice thing is if I need to change a barrel it can be done with simple AR15 tools.
__________________
NRA Life Member
taylorce1 is offline  
Old January 15, 2018, 02:30 PM   #11
zukiphile
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 13, 2005
Posts: 3,162
The barrel on this rifle is made from 1137 alloy. I don't know what this means or how it related to 4140 or 4150 barrels, but a quick search found it commonly used in muzzle loaded barrels.

Is this a cause for concern?
zukiphile is offline  
Old January 15, 2018, 09:19 PM   #12
taylorce1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2005
Location: On the Santa Fe Trail
Posts: 6,951
Quote:
Originally Posted by zukiphile
The barrel on this rifle is made from 1137 alloy. I don't know what this means or how it related to 4140 or 4150 barrels, but a quick search found it commonly used in muzzle loaded barrels.

Is this a cause for concern?
I doubt it, there isn't enough pressure from a .22 LR cartridge no need more durable steels.
__________________
NRA Life Member
taylorce1 is offline  
Old January 17, 2018, 05:47 AM   #13
hooligan1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 18, 2010
Location: Independence Missouri
Posts: 4,338
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-455-ame...2-lr-5-rd-mag/.
If she doesnt care for it, send it to me.....
__________________
Thanks for coming!
hooligan1 is offline  
Old January 17, 2018, 10:45 AM   #14
taylorce1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2005
Location: On the Santa Fe Trail
Posts: 6,951
Quote:
Originally Posted by hooligan1
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-455-ame...2-lr-5-rd-mag/.
If she doesnt care for it, send it to me.....
Believe me I've looked at those as well.
__________________
NRA Life Member
taylorce1 is offline  
Old January 21, 2018, 07:49 AM   #15
zukiphile
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 13, 2005
Posts: 3,162
Quote:
I doubt it, there isn't enough pressure from a .22 LR cartridge no need more durable steels.
My anxiety would be that more durable steels reduce barrel deterioration from powder abrasion and cleaning.
zukiphile is offline  
Old January 21, 2018, 07:59 AM   #16
Mobuck
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 2, 2010
Posts: 6,270
Just my opinion: "long range" with a 22 LR can be a very frustrating experience.
I've shot a 22LR out to approx 400 yards and found that the tiniest amount of wind will vary POI several feet w/o any warning. Nearly any sort of environmental variance will grossly affect the POI. Literally, even the sun going behind a cloud can have an effect.
At that point, you're not making progress with shooter skill but playing a gambling game with external factors.
Mobuck is offline  
Old January 21, 2018, 09:29 AM   #17
hooligan1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 18, 2010
Location: Independence Missouri
Posts: 4,338
Im wondering, Taylorce1, does any rifle she hunts with need turret adjusting before shot is taken, or is scope set to take anything from close to 400 or so yds?
__________________
Thanks for coming!
hooligan1 is offline  
Old January 21, 2018, 12:01 PM   #18
RC20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 10, 2008
Location: Alaska
Posts: 5,090
I do like the idea and the use of scope adjustments as part of the learning process.

You don't have to go long range to get a 22 to shoot.

You just get the right size targets that simulate long range.

50 or 75 yards keep the wind factor out of it pretty much (short of a real windy day)

You can range targets from 25 yards on out to 75 with the right size to get the distance adjustment.

22 has enough drop to make it real.

As there will usually be difference in trajectory of center fire, moving from one to another is going to be different but the concept is the same.

I found that if I had the concept right I could usually work the specific problem.
__________________
Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not
RC20 is offline  
Old January 21, 2018, 08:14 PM   #19
taylorce1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2005
Location: On the Santa Fe Trail
Posts: 6,951
Quote:
Im wondering, Taylorce1, does any rifle she hunts with need turret adjusting before shot is taken, or is scope set to take anything from close to 400 or so yds?
Her .300 Savage that she hunts with is zeroed at 300 yards, I doubt I'll change that anytime soon. We discuss some things about shooting animas at longer ranges, but mostly it's about how to get closer when possible. When we can't get closer we talk about how to make the shot or if we should pass, so far she's always passed on the shot that she thought was beyond her capabilities. She's used remarkable judgement for a 15 year old

She was watching a video with me on some long range shooting and that's when she asked if she could learn to shoot long range. Then she started asking me questions about shooting beyond the normal ranges she hunts at. She realizes that this isn't about shooting game at long range but learning a new skill.
__________________
NRA Life Member
taylorce1 is offline  
Old January 30, 2018, 07:19 PM   #20
taylorce1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2005
Location: On the Santa Fe Trail
Posts: 6,951
Well changed directions on the rifle a bit. I pre-ordered a Tikka T1x .22 LR instead of the Ruger Precision .22 LR. I'm hoping it shoots as good as their centerfire rifles and I'll be very happy with it.
__________________
NRA Life Member
taylorce1 is offline  
Old January 30, 2018, 08:49 PM   #21
CalmerThanYou
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 16, 2017
Posts: 300
^^Nice, I like the choice. I have the CZ 455 VPT and is has quickly become one of my favorite range choices. Let us know how you like it please.
CalmerThanYou is offline  
Old January 31, 2018, 05:52 PM   #22
hooligan1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 18, 2010
Location: Independence Missouri
Posts: 4,338
The Tikka looks nice, better figure in some ammo now.....
__________________
Thanks for coming!
hooligan1 is offline  
Old January 31, 2018, 07:52 PM   #23
DaleA
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 12, 2002
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 4,143
I've heard about Tikka, just never associated the brand with a .22LR.

Really looking forward to a range report after you get it.

What are you going to do for sights?
DaleA is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2018 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.10508 seconds with 10 queries