More NRA shenanigans. - Page 3

Ignition Override · February 21, 2021, 12:39 AM

As to which other pro-Second Amendment might one day achieve similar clout in Congress....... I have no idea. None at all.

* I'm appalled by the NRA's financial waste.

But I'm not familiar with the other organizations.

My last gun friend moved away a year ago, and my shooting at the private club is always solo. Don't have any friends there.

OneFreeTexan · February 21, 2021, 05:28 PM

I wonder what WLP thinks of all this in private talks with friends and staff...

Mike38 · February 21, 2021, 07:53 PM

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I wonder what WLP thinks of all this in private talks with friends and staff...

I'm no Psychiatrist, but I don't think Narcissists take accountability or responsibility for anything they do wrong.

JERRYS. · February 21, 2021, 09:30 PM

"The NRA" has millions of supporters, however the one being run into the group by wlp does not. get rid of wlp and the bod and watch membership increase. until then, wlp with help from the bod will continue to profit handsomely while membership and organizational clout fall. wlp and his bod will not step down as that would signal that everyone else was right. his ego simply won't let that happen.

imp · February 23, 2021, 12:45 AM

Ego aside, the one man with the power to save the NRA, is WLP.

While I'm certain that he has legal limits on what can and can not be disclosed to the public, if he actually valued the rhetoric he puts forward, he would have the board of directors approve changes to the bylaws giving the rank and file a voice in the organization again, and then step down. For the good of the NRA.

His decision to play legal games and obfuscate the truth from members in order to retain his position is all I need to convince me that his actions are not in the best interests of the NRA.

Wyoredman · February 25, 2021, 04:41 PM

I am the NRA.
I just renewed my 5 year membership.
I really do not like Mr. LaPierre.
BUT we need the NRA!

I hope they get things straightened out soon and get back to providing the shooting sports with the representation, training and support we all need.

I would also join other organizations. What are they? How do we join?

Thanks, Wyoredman.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 25, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyoredman

I would also join other organizations. What are they? How do we join?

Gun Owners of America (GOA)
Second Amendment Foundation (SAF)
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA)

Wyoredman · February 26, 2021, 10:40 AM

Thank you.

GOA - $25
SAF - $15
CCRKBA - $15

Pretty cheap!

I hope it helps.

Thanks again.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 26, 2021, 12:41 PM

Dollars to these other organizations obviously help. That said, one of the things that made the NRA the (or at least "a") 800-pound gorilla was the 5 million members. So joining the other groups (I don't think the SAF is a membership organization, but GOA and CCRKBA are) even at the minimum dues level adds to their membership numbers, and that has to help when they address congresscritters.

LeverGunFan · February 26, 2021, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

....(I don't think the SAF is a membership organization, but GOA and CCRKBA are)....

SAF does have memberships, you can sign up at this link.

Other than the NRA, has any other 2nd amendment organization even hinted at their membership level? It would be interesting to see how they compare to the roughly 5 million NRA members. I suspect that most, if not all, are under the million member mark. Probably some are only in the thousands of members.

Double Naught Spy · February 26, 2021, 01:42 PM

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So joining the other groups (I don't think the SAF is a membership organization, but GOA and CCRKBA are) even at the minimum dues level adds to their membership numbers, and that has to help when they address congresscritters.

Remember, dues are not what go to the lobbyists. Dues keep the organization alive. Separate donations go toward lobbying efforts...
https://donate.gunowners.org
https://www.ccrkba.org/donations/

TailGator · February 26, 2021, 05:17 PM

I wonder if the NRA is still at 5 million members? I imagine that the exposure of Mr. LaPierre's malfeasance has reduced membership to some degree or other. It would be interesting to know how much it has dropped in the last year or two, but I'm not at all sure we would get a truthful answer from leadership.

JERRYS. · February 26, 2021, 06:51 PM

if you ever wonder why the 2nd Amendment is dying a death by a thousand cuts think about this: ~80 million law abiding gun owners, and the largest pro 2nd Amendment organization is the NRA and at its best is/was only ~5 million members, or just over 5% of law abiding gun owners. wlp and his bod are not helping the NRA at all let alone the future of the 2nd Amendment.

ATN082268 · February 26, 2021, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JERRYS.

if you ever wonder why the 2nd Amendment is dying a death by a thousand cuts think about this: ~80 million law abiding gun owners, and the largest pro 2nd Amendment organization is the NRA and at its best is/was only ~5 million members, or just over 5% of law abiding gun owners. wlp and his bod are not helping the NRA at all let alone the future of the 2nd Amendment.

I really don't think you should have to pay money to keep rights in the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution.

JERRYS. · February 26, 2021, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ATN082268

I really don't think you should have to pay money to keep rights in the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution.

neither do I.

what is your point? do you think politicians care about your one voice? LOLOLOL, they scarcely care about a loosely unified 5 million voices because of the 75 million that don't even bother to be heard.

WyMark · February 26, 2021, 11:07 PM

WLP was never in this for the 2A. WLP doesn't give 2 hoots about your rights or anyone else's rights, 2A or any other. WLP stumbled onto a cash cow back in the early 1990's and figured out how he could take control of it. Then he proceeded to bleed the cow out for the next 25 years, careful to never bleed it completely dry. He's nothing but a grifter and if he hadn't stumbled onto the NRA he'd have opened a TV mega-church to bag donations.

Anyone who thinks that WLP was ever in this for anyone other than WLP is simply delusional.

shurshot · February 27, 2021, 12:42 PM

Absolutely! Instead of passing the basket, WLP just keeps sending out requests for donations by mail.

M3 Pilot · February 28, 2021, 09:32 PM

WyMark has hit the nail on the head. Well said.
I stopped paying for Wayne's wardrobe,travels and concubines a few years ago.

M3 Pilot · February 28, 2021, 09:46 PM

I may be wrong but IIRC Wayne made his first big money importing Korean M1 carbines. He and Vos founded BlueSky in 1983. If this is true, it was in his personal interest to work to protect 2A and I suspect this personal interest was a major factor in his getting to a "leadership" position in the NRA. Not because he had an interest in your 2A rights per se.

Double Naught Spy · April 6, 2021, 02:39 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...yacht-n1263147

Well, in the wake of threats and mass shootings such as Sandy Hook, apparently La Pierre could only find safety on a friend's yacht because the NRA had no idea how to protect their people.

WyMark · April 6, 2021, 03:10 PM

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The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good friend with a yacht?

Fair enough question for WLP, I think.

Mainah · April 6, 2021, 07:51 PM

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Well, in the wake of threats and mass shootings such as Sandy Hook, apparently La Pierre could only find safety on a friend's yacht because the NRA had no idea how to protect their people.

And probably sailing on a sea of miracle spring water.

FoghornLeghorn · April 7, 2021, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...yacht-n1263147

Well, in the wake of threats and mass shootings such as Sandy Hook, apparently La Pierre could only find safety on a friend's yacht because the NRA had no idea how to protect their people.

Somehow, him hiding like that, "Thank God I'm finally safe!" is just not a confidence inspiring image. Especially for the leader of a powerful 2nd amendment organization.

The picture of Charlton Heston holding a rifle saying, "They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers!" is more like I had in mind.

HiBC · April 7, 2021, 03:51 PM

I'm not a Wyoming resident...but a few years ago I bought a 5 year membership to the Wyoming State Shooters Association.
Wyoming does not have a huge population to draw members from,but it does seem to have the regard for the RTKBA that every state in the USA should have.

**Aguila Blanca** · April 25, 2021, 12:09 PM

https://thereload.com/nra-board-call...lations-mount/

There's a hearing coming up soon on the NRA's attempt to file bankruptcy, and the board of directors is attempting to circle the wagons. My first thought, even before reading most of the article, was "Why hold an in-person meeting?" I know right now, personally, there's no way I would get on a commercial airliner, for any reason. Especially now that they have stopped blocking center seats.

Hasn't the NRA and president Meadows ever heard of Zoom and Skype?

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode.

February 25, 2021, 04:41 PM	#56
Wyoredman Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2011 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,352	I am the NRA. I just renewed my 5 year membership. I really do not like Mr. LaPierre. BUT we need the NRA! I hope they get things straightened out soon and get back to providing the shooting sports with the representation, training and support we all need. I would also join other organizations. What are they? How do we join? Thanks, Wyoredman. __________________ Go Pokes! Go Rams!

February 26, 2021, 10:40 AM	#58
Wyoredman Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2011 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,352	Thank you. GOA - $25 SAF - $15 CCRKBA - $15 Pretty cheap! I hope it helps. Thanks again. __________________ Go Pokes! Go Rams!

February 26, 2021, 12:41 PM	#59
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	Dollars to these other organizations obviously help. That said, one of the things that made the NRA the (or at least "a") 800-pound gorilla was the 5 million members. So joining the other groups (I don't think the SAF is a membership organization, but GOA and CCRKBA are) even at the minimum dues level adds to their membership numbers, and that has to help when they address congresscritters. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

February 28, 2021, 09:46 PM	#69
M3 Pilot Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2005 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 152	I may be wrong but IIRC Wayne made his first big money importing Korean M1 carbines. He and Vos founded BlueSky in 1983. If this is true, it was in his personal interest to work to protect 2A and I suspect this personal interest was a major factor in his getting to a "leadership" position in the NRA. Not because he had an interest in your 2A rights per se. Last edited by M3 Pilot; February 28, 2021 at 09:58 PM.

April 6, 2021, 02:39 PM	#70
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...yacht-n1263147 Well, in the wake of threats and mass shootings such as Sandy Hook, apparently La Pierre could only find safety on a friend's yacht because the NRA had no idea how to protect their people. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

February 21, 2021, 12:39 AM	#51
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,887	As to which other pro-Second Amendment might one day achieve similar clout in Congress....... I have no idea. None at all. * I'm appalled by the NRA's financial waste. But I'm not familiar with the other organizations. My last gun friend moved away a year ago, and my shooting at the private club is always solo. Don't have any friends there.

February 21, 2021, 05:28 PM	#52
OneFreeTexan Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: West, Texas Posts: 280	I wonder what WLP thinks of all this in private talks with friends and staff...

February 21, 2021, 09:30 PM	#54
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,969	"The NRA" has millions of supporters, however the one being run into the group by wlp does not. get rid of wlp and the bod and watch membership increase. until then, wlp with help from the bod will continue to profit handsomely while membership and organizational clout fall. wlp and his bod will not step down as that would signal that everyone else was right. his ego simply won't let that happen.

February 23, 2021, 12:45 AM	#55
imp Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Posts: 626	Ego aside, the one man with the power to save the NRA, is WLP. While I'm certain that he has legal limits on what can and can not be disclosed to the public, if he actually valued the rhetoric he puts forward, he would have the board of directors approve changes to the bylaws giving the rank and file a voice in the organization again, and then step down. For the good of the NRA. His decision to play legal games and obfuscate the truth from members in order to retain his position is all I need to convince me that his actions are not in the best interests of the NRA.

February 26, 2021, 05:17 PM	#62
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,787	I wonder if the NRA is still at 5 million members? I imagine that the exposure of Mr. LaPierre's malfeasance has reduced membership to some degree or other. It would be interesting to know how much it has dropped in the last year or two, but I'm not at all sure we would get a truthful answer from leadership.

February 26, 2021, 06:51 PM	#63
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,969	if you ever wonder why the 2nd Amendment is dying a death by a thousand cuts think about this: ~80 million law abiding gun owners, and the largest pro 2nd Amendment organization is the NRA and at its best is/was only ~5 million members, or just over 5% of law abiding gun owners. wlp and his bod are not helping the NRA at all let alone the future of the 2nd Amendment.

February 26, 2021, 11:07 PM	#66
WyMark Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2011 Location: Wyoming Posts: 647	WLP was never in this for the 2A. WLP doesn't give 2 hoots about your rights or anyone else's rights, 2A or any other. WLP stumbled onto a cash cow back in the early 1990's and figured out how he could take control of it. Then he proceeded to bleed the cow out for the next 25 years, careful to never bleed it completely dry. He's nothing but a grifter and if he hadn't stumbled onto the NRA he'd have opened a TV mega-church to bag donations. Anyone who thinks that WLP was ever in this for anyone other than WLP is simply delusional.

February 27, 2021, 12:42 PM	#67
shurshot Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2006 Posts: 1,819	Absolutely! Instead of passing the basket, WLP just keeps sending out requests for donations by mail.

February 28, 2021, 09:32 PM	#68
M3 Pilot Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2005 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 152	WyMark has hit the nail on the head. Well said. I stopped paying for Wayne's wardrobe,travels and concubines a few years ago.

April 7, 2021, 03:51 PM	#74
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,287	I'm not a Wyoming resident...but a few years ago I bought a 5 year membership to the Wyoming State Shooters Association. Wyoming does not have a huge population to draw members from,but it does seem to have the regard for the RTKBA that every state in the USA should have.

April 25, 2021, 12:09 PM	#75
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	Update on the NRA debacle https://thereload.com/nra-board-call...lations-mount/ There's a hearing coming up soon on the NRA's attempt to file bankruptcy, and the board of directors is attempting to circle the wagons. My first thought, even before reading most of the article, was "Why hold an in-person meeting?" I know right now, personally, there's no way I would get on a commercial airliner, for any reason. Especially now that they have stopped blocking center seats. Hasn't the NRA and president Meadows ever heard of Zoom and Skype? Stay tuned for the next exciting episode. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic