IMR 4350

[hooligan1]

What's up with IMR, 4350 to be exact. The price as went up 23.00 per pound at my Local Bass Pro shops...the Same store had it for 51.00 three months ago?? Anybody seen this?

[scatterbrain]

Time was we payed $1.85 a pound, it was always on the shelf. Now days, if I was in need of 4350 and found it, I wouldn't complain about that price. There is more on the shelf now than there was last year, but I see some powder in the $60 dollar range. The local gun shop now has more powder that I do. Rereading your post I see that they now are at $74.00 per pound. A salesman once told me that their wasn't anything in that store that couldn't be found cheaper somewhere else and I haven't been back.

[tangolima]

Price set. People buy. Price stays.

-TL

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[reynolds357]

Originally Posted by hooligan1

What's up with IMR, 4350 to be exact. The price as went up 23.00 per pound at my Local Bass Pro shops...the Same store had it for 51.00 three months ago?? Anybody seen this?

Been wondering that myself. IMR 4350 is my mainstay.

[reynolds357]

Originally Posted by scatterbrain

Time was we payed $1.85 a pound, it was always on the shelf. Now days, if I was in need of 4350 and found it, I wouldn't complain about that price. There is more on the shelf now than there was last year, but I see some powder in the $60 dollar range. The local gun shop now has more powder that I do. Rereading your post I see that they now are at $74.00 per pound. A salesman once told me that their wasn't anything in that store that couldn't be found cheaper somewhere else and I haven't been back.

IMR 4350 is expensive everywhere.

[sako2]

Glad I bought a 8lb jug for $210 a auction last week. Also bought a 1lber of h4350 for $12.

[gwpercle]

It's called the Economy as installed by The Dems and Joe Biden / Kamala Harris .
It's not just gun powder ... it's everything ... Houses , cars , clothes , food , milk . bread and it won't stop till we get them fools out of office ...
They are destroying us with economics !
Gary

[hooligan1]

I bought two lbs a year ago, at my local gun shop, who usually has the higher prices on components, it was 83 dollars and change.
I know Bidenomics is killing us all,..
But the question still stands, Why are they asking this much for IMR 4350? You can still get h4350 for 60.00? ..I think it's almost gone, no more being made, kind of like those Enduron powders of Yester year.. man I fell in love with IMR 4451, hell it gave me consistent low es and accuracy and Speed over any other powders in its proximity on burn rate chart.. not three years ago I could Not find Retumbo, Went to that local gun shop, and asked to see their powder sheet, and low an behold said he had 5 lbs, I bought two, and stuffed them both into 7 mag, that I had ready after what I found testing it in my rifle. That made me happy, I went back a few months later bought another lb, because I could Afford it.
I believe there's something different about IMR 4350.. just wondered if anybody else is noticing..

[BJung]

I started a new set of testloads using IMR 4350 before the price jump thinking that IMR 4350 will be easier to obtain than R15. I didn't expect the price jump at the time. Starting over again, I am trying AA4350

[tangolima]

Prices have gone up on everything. But people haven't changed their spending habits in any way significant. Restaurants are still busy, and people still drive the same way. Do they really feel the pinch? Perhaps they have just developed higher tolerance to pain.

In a way higher prices are better than "total shortage". Former still has the goods, and the latter means empty shelves. I have been through the latter a few times. Strangely I have those to thank. If not for them I probably still load with nothing but varget. They have pushed me to conserve, improvise, and explore.

We should have voted out certain politicians. But yet they got re-elected times again. People deserve the government they vote for. Perhaps we only deserve those folks.

Shoot less, shoot better, and make every round count more.

-TL

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[RC20]

I started a new set of testloads using IMR 4350 before the price jump thinking that IMR 4350 will be easier to obtain than R15. I didn't expect the price jump at the time. Starting over again, I am trying AA4350

I got 8 lbs of A4350 a few years back, its proven every bit as good as I and H 4350, maybe better.

I give it a major thumbs up

[cptjack]

even sw4350 has gone up ,remember when was 20.00 @lb when imr was 30

[Road_Clam]

Most all popular powders are currently +/- $50 / lb. From what I learned back in the panic of 2013, I preached "buy all you can" back in the 2017 Trump era when powders were $27 / lb and primers were $34 / brick . Most did not listen. I have stockpiled enough components to load about 96,000 rounds spanning 13 different calibers. I have not bought anything is the past 5 years. As long as desperate shooters will pay panic prices maintaining demand prices will NEVER decline. It's simple economics. Feels good to be panic atmosphere independent.

[RC20]

I learned my lesson on the first powder shortage.

Only time I buy 1 lb is to top up an 8 lb jug that is getting down.

I keep lots of primers on hand. Hated to do it, a lot of money tied up sitting there, but its been there when I needed it.

Funny who is shooting themselves in the foot. It sure is not the non gun owners!

[jmr40]

Same store had it for 51.00 three months ago?? Anybody seen this?

I'd stock up if I could get it for $51. Powder here has been $60+ for a long time. Saw some Varget last week priced at $84.

[RoyceP]

I stocked up on powder and primers when it looked like there would be a President Dukakis. I emptied my checking account and bought all the powder and primers that Gibson's had.

Turns out there was not a President Dukakis but it also turned out that I had made a good buy. If you think democrats are done increasing the price of everything I have a bridge you will need to buy.

[Unclenick]

Hooligan1,

At the NRA Annual meeting, I brought this up with the Hodgdon rep. He said the normal demand for IMR4350 is 20:80 government:civilian. Currently, however, it is reversed, with the military sucking up 80% of the 4350, making it scarce for the civilian market. One major reason is the adoption of 6.5CM for newer medium machine guns intended to gradually replace the SAW. The other is that testing found snipers had a significantly better hit rate at 1000 yards with 6.5CM than with 308W, so they began supplying sniper systems in that caliber as well. All their 6.5CM rounds are running on 4350. IIRC, he said their 300WM sniper rounds were also using it, but my memory of that isn't as clear. At any rate, they are apparently building up stockpiles of 6.5CM rounds now, and until that is done, you can expect 4350 to be scarce, and because it is scarce, it will be expensive.

[hooligan1]

Thank you, Unclenick

[Jim Watson]

One major reason is the adoption of 6.5CM for newer medium machine guns intended to gradually replace the SAW.

That is just weird. What about the great and wonderful 6.8mm that was going to Fix Everything, shooting through the best of body armor at tremendous range?

[tangolima]

Didn't know 6.5CM for LMG. 6.8 Fury is supposed to be way. Perhaps it will consume more of the same propellant (they don't call it powder).

-TL

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[Road_Clam]

This all explains why i've seen a decline in the 6.5 cm shooters at my clubs 600 yd fun shoots. 4350 is pretty much the goto for 6.5cm. (myself included). Most of the 6.5 shooters seem to be bringing factory ammo. I have not shot 6.5 in many years. I have other calibers that get the job done and i have a better inventory of reloading components. I "only " have about 17# of 4350 . Need to preserve my inventory for a "real" gun panic !

[Rifletom]

Posts #9 and 11 are on the right track.

[Unclenick]

Originally Posted by Jim Watson

That is just weird. What about the great and wonderful 6.8mm that was going to Fix Everything, shooting through the best of body armor at tremendous range?

I thought it was odd, too, but apparently, the 6.5CM got to market while the 6.8 was still in development. Also, I haven't seen any information on how the 80,000 psi 6.8×51 does in sniper rifles or on machine gun throat wear, so I don't know how it will all pan out in the end.

[stagpanther]

I could be wrong--but I think the 6.5 creed is a special forces option and not the "general services do-it-all replacement" that the fury is intended to be.

BTW--I use lots of H 4350 and have had no problem finding it--excluding the issue of inflated prices. I know it isn't exactly the same thing as IMR 4350 but as long as accounting for that in loads it works plenty fine for my loads.

[stagpanther]

As a side note--it's very hard for me to imagine the creedmoor with long, high SD bullets working reliably in any kind of automatic.