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Old December 29, 2019, 06:48 AM   #26
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The problem, as I see it, with the Weatherby, is its slow rifling twist (1-14, IIRC). This limits your bullet choices to 55 grains or lighter. There are a great many very accurate (longer and heavier) that will not reliably stabilize in that rifle.
I'm not sure if the Howa, (Weatherby Vanguard), is a 1-14" or a 1-12" twist. Either way it's too slow. I don't remember if I posted this before, but I picked up this Marlin X-7 in .223 a few years back. It has a 1-9" twist, which makes the rifle far more useful.

I don't understand why more manufacturers don't understand this, and stop producing .22 caliber centerfire rifles with these uselessly slow twist rates? It doesn't make sense. Especially when almost every 5.56 MM / .223 AR-15 rifle has either a 1-9", or a 1-7" twist. Seeing as Weatherby is paying Howa to manufacture these rifle for them. They could specify any twist rate barrel they want.

This is my Marlin X-7 after I fitted it with a Laminated thumbhole stock I picked up on a closeout from Boyd's. It was a beautiful drop in fit, and the gun shoots ragged one hole groups at 100 yards in calm conditions for as long as you want to sit and squeeze the trigger.

I picked the gun up new in the box for $250.00, and the stock for just $100.00 fully finished. The scope is a Nikon P-223 with the BDC Reticle that allows you to shoot to 600 yards with no holdover.

I got rid of the cheap Aluminum Picatinny scope base the rifle came with, and installed a set of Warne 2-Piece steel bases, along with a set of Burris Signature Zee Rings I had left over from another rifle project. It all came together nicely, and shoots well.

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Old December 29, 2019, 09:27 AM   #27
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well, it is a matter of perceived want/need. personally I like the 1 in 12 in a bolt gun. 50 grain bullets blow up nice, kinda like a 222 rem mag in the day. but then I am a fudd/geezer.
…...of course my heavy Anderson barreled ar has a 1 in 8 for 75 grainers.
jmho. bob

ps second the weatherby vanguard version of the 1500 as a nice rifle in that budget range.
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Old December 29, 2019, 09:56 AM   #28
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1:12 twist is fine for target shooting at 300 yards like the OP wants, and still good for most varmint and predator hunting if he wants to take that up. It'll stabalize the majority of 55 grain bullets and even a few in the 60 grain range.
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Old December 29, 2019, 10:33 AM   #29
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A quick sidebar- a bolt rifle with a 26" barrel is getting some free velocity vs a typical AR 16-18" barrel length, so it can get by quite nicely with a slower twist.

the greenhill formula- https://www.vcalc.com/equation/?uuid...b-bc764e2038f2
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Old December 29, 2019, 02:42 PM   #30
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Check out Armslist for a while. You can find a decent Ruger #1B .223 if you're patient. There's one on there now for $750 and a .22-250 for $700.
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Old January 15, 2020, 11:24 AM   #31
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Old January 15, 2020, 11:29 AM   #32
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I've got a stainless Ruger 22" M77 Mark II 223 with 1-12 twist barrel. It will stabillize 60 gr. Partitions. That is a pretty potent round I have seen to 235 yds, and so I do not feel that the 1-12 twist is too slow for general varmint or sensible deer hunting.
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Old January 16, 2020, 09:00 PM   #33
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Sako A7's Rough Tech's are onsale at sportsmans warehouse. I got a 308 range rifle for 799. A little above your limit.
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