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Old January 2, 2020, 07:14 PM   #26
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Take a long hard look at the Pietta , Great Western II , 45 Colt revolver .
Brian Pearce just did a complete review of one in the February 2020 issue (no. 324) of Handloader Magazine and this one is done right , .452 cylinder throats , .451 barrel .
The average accuracy for 5 different loads at 25 yards was 1.20 inches !!!
That's amazing accuracy for 45 Colt SAA that are usually plagued with oversized throats and barrels . Two to three inch groups would be considered good... 1 1/4 inch is fantastic.
The details and care that went into manufacturing is what makes this gun so accurate...they got them right . The quality is there , case hardened frame and one piece ivory like (faux ivory) grips ...it looks good ! MSRP is $580 ...if I were twenty years younger I would be all over this one .
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Old January 2, 2020, 08:55 PM   #27
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Ruger Cylinders: This cylinder problem may be real to some degree but is the subject of gross internet over generalizations. When I get another Ruger revolver this small throat situation is not a concern. All my Ruger have been good shooters. Seriously, if this small cylinder throat is a concern call the Customer Service department for some information.
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Old January 2, 2020, 09:06 PM   #28
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I would NOT buy a Ruger revolver sight unseen...too many issues.
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Old January 3, 2020, 06:04 AM   #29
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Buying Second Hand Ruger's: There is a difference in "Don't Like" and "No Good." When you are buying a second hand Ruger you may be looking at a gun that's twenty plus years old. My Bisley Model Blackhawk was made in 2002. The oldest is my Super Blackhawk made in 1978. What may have been a problem twenty years may have been corrected in more current guns. My project gun is a 1996 vintage Vaquero in excellent condition except for one thing. Bubba filed on the back of the barrel making an excessive gap. This is an "issue." Butcher work by Bubba is not a factory defect. I repeat myself. Vaquero's are strong, good shooters. Ruger customer service on the website has history by serial numbers.
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Old January 3, 2020, 09:03 AM   #30
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Just to put TxFly and Terry's comments in perspective: I've owned over a dozen Ruger SA's over the past 50+ years, all new, add to that number, add my two son's half dozen. The ONLY Ruger SA we collectively had problems with was that aforementioned New Vaquero in .45 Colt...for undersized cylinder throats. Read 0.450"-0.451" throats matched to a 0.452" bore. I'll repeat, if you're going to shoot lead alloy bullets in any caliber, throat size must be compatible to groove dia., i.e. same size or at most 0.001"- 0.002" larger. Rod
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Old January 4, 2020, 08:34 AM   #31
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Just to bring this full circle..below is what I bought. Nearly new, no rotate marks on the cylinder, GREAT $(Gunsport Colorado here in the republic) BUT 38/357(45LC tough on my wrist/thumb).
BirdsHead and although 'labeled' 'Beretta', made by Uberti.
And 3.5 inch barrel..a GIGGLE to shoot..
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Old January 4, 2020, 09:43 AM   #32
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That's a beauty. Those are much more like the original Colts than the Ruger offerings. Love the 3" barrel and the old time birdshead grip. The Ruger birdshead grip is more of a modern version.

Enjoy
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Old January 4, 2020, 11:22 AM   #33
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I have one of those cute (my wife's comment) Uberti birds head short guns in .32 H&R Mag. I found I had to back off on the velocity to get decent accuracy out of it. The bore grooves seem almost no-existent. Sent back in, and they said it is 'normal'. No fix. So it goes.
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Old January 4, 2020, 01:34 PM   #34
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Hope it works well for you. I don't see how you are having a problem with .45 Colt recoil, if you let the gun roll in the hand like you're supposed to. Especially don't understand how its tough on your thumb, BUT, I don't have your hands/wrists, so...

.38s through that gun should be great. REAL .357s might not do so well in your hands. And tis not impossible for there to be a significant difference in point of impact between .38 and .357 in the gun. Shouldn't be, but I've seen it happen, so be aware it might.

Don't know where the Ruger bashers get their experience, mine have all been excellent. I've got 7 Ruger .45 SAs, my first bought new in 1983. None of them have ever had problems, all shoot well, none have ever had the cylinders touched or needed to. Not saying there aren't poor Rugers out there, but I've never seen one...

Seems like some folks buy a Ruger, because its not a Colt, then complain about it, because its not a Colt.

Enjoy your gun, keep the loads light. The birdshead grip is comfortable (though I don't care for the style) until you get around 200gr/1000fps (or equivalent) recoil, then, not so much, for most of us, anyway.

Enjoy!
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Old January 4, 2020, 01:52 PM   #35
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Used Ruger would be my first look because a good one is great and being used you can ask the owner how it shoots or maybe even test fire it if it’s a club situation. On the other hand, if you are buying sight unseen... I’d probably still go for the Ruger as next year you can sell it for what you paid for it.

For CAS stuff those Italian clones are a bargain.
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Old January 5, 2020, 08:03 AM   #36
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Hope it works well for you. I don't see how you are having a problem with .45 Colt recoil, if you let the gun roll in the hand like you're supposed to. Especially don't understand how its tough on your thumb, BUT, I don't have your hands/wrists, so...
Lotsa arthritis in my RH wrist and very poorly repaired dislocated RH thumb(thanks USN docs)..mostly my wrist but some on my thumb since when it 'wraps' around grip, it's trying to do something related to being essentially, still 'dislocated'..
I've had issues with lotsa guns..
Ruger LCP and LC-9, Glock 43, son's S&W 686 revolver in 357, other son's revolver in 45LC, a 45acp 1911, a S&W 642....
None with this revolver or my G42, 26 and G42...

Some others like wee, light snubbies in 357 or 44mag makes my hand hurt just lookin at them.
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Old January 5, 2020, 09:22 AM   #37
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That explains a lot. Glad that you found something comfortable for you to shoot.

Just to set the record straight...I don't dislike Ruger firearms. Right now, I have a Security Six, a blued, half lug, GP100, a 357 Match Champion, and a 9mm Ruger American compact. I just don't care for the design of their single action offerings.
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Old January 5, 2020, 11:43 AM   #38
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I have the Cimarron Lightning, which looks similar, but in .38 special.
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Old January 6, 2020, 02:49 PM   #39
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... I've got 7 Ruger .45 SAs,
You was lucky then . My original Vaquero had way undersized throats.... Shrunk the target groups by half after reaming. The only revolvers that 'might' have passed was the medium frame flattops and New Vaquero. Still they wouldn't pass a .452 bullet with finger pressure. So reamed them all. Now all consistent ... and correct. BTW, I really like Rugers and have quite a few... But there is always room for improvement! All of them came with ultra 'heavy' triggers with lots of creep for example. I've had that corrected on all my goto Ruger shooters. Now they break clean with a 2# trigger pull.
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Old January 6, 2020, 05:24 PM   #40
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Ruger runs forever.

That and buy American.
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Old January 12, 2020, 06:59 AM   #41
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Two different worlds

Hope all works out for you with your Uberti revolver. Under new company ownership old time problems may be history. Your new gun looks great.

Added: The Uberti is for those who like the authentic style Colt revolver. The Ruger is modern and built like a tank. That gun, to me, is for the modern shooter who wants a traditional looking but high pressure handgun. The SAA clones probably have the shortcomings of the originals. The Vaquero's have shortcomings of Ruger's. Two different worlds. Pick one or both.
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Old January 12, 2020, 08:12 AM   #42
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Hope all works out for you with your Uberti revolver. Under new company ownership old time problems may be history. Your new gun looks great.

Added: The Uberti is for those who like the authentic style Colt revolver. The Ruger is modern and built like a tank. That gun, to me, is for the modern shooter who wants a traditional looking but high pressure handgun. The SAA clones probably have the shortcomings of the originals. The Vaquero's have shortcomings of Ruger's. Two different worlds. Pick one or both.
Why it's great one of my son's has a S&W 686/7..get to shoot that as well. Now, as of yesterday other son, birthday present from me, has a Uberti 1873 in 45LC..get to shoot that now too...
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Old January 12, 2020, 01:38 PM   #43
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I'm glad you settled on what makes you happy, and a good gun is a great gift. Uberti has a good reputation, I'm sure he'll be happy.

I need to respond to this, for the benefit of everyone reading the thread,

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The Ruger is modern and built like a tank. That gun, to me, is for the modern shooter who wants a traditional looking but high pressure handgun.
This was correctly stated, as an opinion. It's a valid opinion. And, while "everybody knows" about Ruger strength, Ruger has NEVER stated their guns are safe for anything above SAAMI specs.

Ruger has never, and will not approve "ruger only loads" or anything outside of SAAMI spec commercially produced ammunition. And, they are on totally solid legal ground doing so. So long as it is understood that "Ruger will take anything" is someone's personal opinion, and not RUGER's opinion, we're good.

The point here is simple. IF you go "off the map" and dragons eat you, you cannot blame Ruger.
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Old January 12, 2020, 01:44 PM   #44
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rclark, good accurate true reply. thanks
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Old January 13, 2020, 09:19 AM   #45
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Opinion: Hot rodding a Vaquero would make for the most uncomfortable handgun in current production. The gun is great but it would be the very last I'd go to for +P level loads. You will figure why the Super Blackhawk has a different trigger guard fast. The standard loads are fine for me. There's a perfectly good Super Blackhawk 44 Magnum here for the heavier stuff. The Vaquero is made like that tank but it's a matter of ergonomics for me.

Added: Aftermarket grips for the Blackhawk are no problem. It's not so easy for Vaquero Blackhawk.
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