Cheap! (kinda) Python! (kinda) - Page 2

Master Blaster · January 3, 2020, 10:18 AM

Colt says 14 fewer parts, but that could all be pins, or parts not needed because of MIM molding which eliminates pins and has the parts molded to fit like a jig saw puzzle.
Does the hand in the new design hold the cylinder in alignment?
Is the bank vault lock up design that was vulnerable to wear still an issue?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6yDQDS...d=yt5to1h72isk

Wheelie_Fan · January 3, 2020, 01:59 PM

I gotta say, i'll reserve judgement on the Python until I've seen / fired one in person. I'm not a huge Python guy, but i do recognize the importance it's played in the overall landscape of revolvers and can appreciate all of the lore that goes along with it.

I did pick up a "new" Cobra when it first came out (any way to find out how early in the run it is?) and it's been perfectly fine. Good trigger (IMO), hits what i aim at consistently... so no real complaints. Am i a stainless steel finish aficionado? No. Am i going to complain about Colt not offering a blued finish on the Cobra or Royal Blue on the Python? No on the Cobra... but Maybe on the Python.

I understand the economics of it all and, even IF offered, there would likely be a huge up-charge from the Custom Shop, but I think it would be a really nice addition to the "new" Python for those that really want it. I don't even know if you CAN blue a stainless part and achieve that level of color and finish... I'm guessing NO, but that's above my pay-grade. I'm sure Colt considered it, looked at their capabilities, crunched the numbers and either have that in their back pocket for the future, or have eliminated it from consideration completely. just my two cents...

wild cat mccane · January 3, 2020, 06:52 PM

FOR A BUYER, that price is just too high given the competition.

None of the listed features are saying this is better than a GP100 or 686.

But it is double the cost, even if it's 300 less than MSRP.

I get liking things, but...$600 dollars more for no benefit, possibly less reliability? Not so sure...

Scorch · January 3, 2020, 07:23 PM

Real price will probably be around $1100 or they wont sell very many of them. And it's not twice the cost of a 686, it's 2-1/2 times the price of a 686! First time I saw a 586 in 1985 or so I knew the Pyhton's days were numbered: same 357 size frame, same heavy underlug barrel to control muzzle rise, better lockwork than the Colt. Pythons were really exceptional in the 1960s, still had an edge in the 1970s, but by the 1980s they were on the edge of being on the way out. Then the S&W 586/686 showed up.

claydoctor · January 6, 2020, 03:03 PM

Saw a couple on GB the other day listed at $2695, yeah right !

reddog81 · January 6, 2020, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorch

Real price will probably be around $1100 or they wont sell very many of them. And it's not twice the cost of a 686, it's 2-1/2 times the price of a 686!

Where can I find a new 686 for $440? Even a beat up used one runs more than that. FWIW there are plenty of Performance Center 686's that run $1,200+. And that's not the MSRP, but the actual online retail price.

**4V50 Gary** · January 6, 2020, 04:51 PM

Per MasterBlaster's instagram link it appears the frame is D frame size. I didn't see where it has fewer parts. I did see at Arfcom an image of the rear half of the lockwork. It has a V spring and rebound lever, but things appear MIM.

**4V50 Gary** · January 6, 2020, 04:55 PM

Thanks Radny97 for the U-tube video.

327 FM · January 6, 2020, 07:38 PM

If Im gonna spend that kind of money on a Colt, its gonna be a SAA.

Radny97 · January 7, 2020, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4V50 Gary

Thanks Radny97 for the U-tube video.

No prob

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January 3, 2020, 07:23 PM	#29
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Real price will probably be around $1100 or they wont sell very many of them. And it's not twice the cost of a 686, it's 2-1/2 times the price of a 686! First time I saw a 586 in 1985 or so I knew the Pyhton's days were numbered: same 357 size frame, same heavy underlug barrel to control muzzle rise, better lockwork than the Colt. Pythons were really exceptional in the 1960s, still had an edge in the 1970s, but by the 1980s they were on the edge of being on the way out. Then the S&W 586/686 showed up. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

January 6, 2020, 04:51 PM	#32
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,841	Per MasterBlaster's instagram link it appears the frame is D frame size. I didn't see where it has fewer parts. I did see at Arfcom an image of the rear half of the lockwork. It has a V spring and rebound lever, but things appear MIM. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

January 6, 2020, 04:55 PM	#33
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,841	Thanks Radny97 for the U-tube video. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

January 3, 2020, 10:18 AM	#26
Master Blaster Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: One of the original 13 Colonies Posts: 2,281	Colt says 14 fewer parts, but that could all be pins, or parts not needed because of MIM molding which eliminates pins and has the parts molded to fit like a jig saw puzzle. Does the hand in the new design hold the cylinder in alignment? Is the bank vault lock up design that was vulnerable to wear still an issue? https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6yDQDS...d=yt5to1h72isk

January 3, 2020, 01:59 PM	#27
Wheelie_Fan Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2009 Location: CT Posts: 117	I gotta say, i'll reserve judgement on the Python until I've seen / fired one in person. I'm not a huge Python guy, but i do recognize the importance it's played in the overall landscape of revolvers and can appreciate all of the lore that goes along with it. I did pick up a "new" Cobra when it first came out (any way to find out how early in the run it is?) and it's been perfectly fine. Good trigger (IMO), hits what i aim at consistently... so no real complaints. Am i a stainless steel finish aficionado? No. Am i going to complain about Colt not offering a blued finish on the Cobra or Royal Blue on the Python? No on the Cobra... but Maybe on the Python. I understand the economics of it all and, even IF offered, there would likely be a huge up-charge from the Custom Shop, but I think it would be a really nice addition to the "new" Python for those that really want it. I don't even know if you CAN blue a stainless part and achieve that level of color and finish... I'm guessing NO, but that's above my pay-grade. I'm sure Colt considered it, looked at their capabilities, crunched the numbers and either have that in their back pocket for the future, or have eliminated it from consideration completely. just my two cents...

January 3, 2020, 06:52 PM	#28
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,628	FOR A BUYER, that price is just too high given the competition. None of the listed features are saying this is better than a GP100 or 686. But it is double the cost, even if it's 300 less than MSRP. I get liking things, but...$600 dollars more for no benefit, possibly less reliability? Not so sure...

January 6, 2020, 03:03 PM	#30
claydoctor Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 450	Saw a couple on GB the other day listed at $2695, yeah right !

January 6, 2020, 07:38 PM	#34
327 FM Member Join Date: July 3, 2012 Posts: 89	If Im gonna spend that kind of money on a Colt, its gonna be a SAA.