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Old June 30, 2019, 02:20 PM   #1
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S&W M19: is this a factory front sight?

It's an early one, maybe 1950s.

Anyone seen a front sight like this from the factory? It appears to be pinned.
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Old June 30, 2019, 02:59 PM   #2
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Model 19? It sure looks like a K38 Model 14.
And that is the stock sight for that gun, there is one like it in the next room.
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Old June 30, 2019, 03:07 PM   #3
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It was on Armslist for less than a day. No pic of model number, and I can't make out the caliber on the barrel, but the seller did call it a 19 (just a 19, no dash version given).

That sight on the M14 does ring a faint bell, thanks.
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Old June 30, 2019, 03:11 PM   #4
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Tapered barrel, no ejector rod shroud, short ramp post sight standard on K38.
A 6" Model 19 would have a post or red ramp sight on a long ramp; and shrouded ejector rod.

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Old June 30, 2019, 03:57 PM   #5
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It's an early one, maybe 1950s.

Anyone seen a front sight like this from the factory? It appears to be pinned.
What you have there is an early 5 screw Model 19, made in about 1955 or 1956 when they first came out. The target front sight is correct for the six inch Model 19. Only the shorter barrel Model 19's had the baughman sight.

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Old June 30, 2019, 04:00 PM   #6
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So it's not a 19, thanks for the clarification.

Maybe the 4 in 14 looked like a 9 to the seller. I doubt if he knew what it was, it was in there for $375, and the exrta screw/s alone are worth that much.
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What you have there is an early 5 screw Model 19, made in about 1955 or 1956 when they first came out.
Really? No ejector rod shroud on those?
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I know there are particulars and changes in these guns, and my knowledge is minimal. But, by judging the the distance between the front of the cylinder and the frame it looks more like a .38 SPL than a .357 to me. All that exposed forcing cone from the side view doesn't jibe with .357s I've seen. Of course the front of cylinder to frame dimension could have changed over the years.
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Old June 30, 2019, 08:21 PM   #9
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What you have there is an early 5 screw Model 19, made in about 1955 or 1956 when they first came out.

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Really? No ejector rod shroud on those?
Good eye, Carmady. That eliminates it as being a model 19. Most likely a Model 14 then.

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Old June 30, 2019, 09:28 PM   #10
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Good eye, Carmady.
Thank you, but my good eye read what Jim said in post #4. I was so occupied with the front sight and that screw in the sideplate I didn't notice much else.
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My first center fire revolver was a model 19 with TT, TH and Patridge front sight just like on the OPs gun.
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My first center fire revolver was a model 19 with TT, TH and Patridge front sight just like on the OPs gun.
Yeah, but the Model 19 always had a shrouded ejector rod, the OP's gun doesn't.

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It depends on if you plan on shooting it or looking at it. I shoot mine everyday, with its ugly condoms. Handsome is as handsome does.
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It could very well be a model 19 with a model 14 barrel.
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Old July 1, 2019, 01:56 PM   #17
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It doesn’t have a TT.

Can somebody confirm any 19’s were made as 5 screw guns?
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From 1905 to 1955 most Smith & Wesson revolvers had five screws, four held on the side plate and one in front of the trigger guard. After 1955 the top side plate screw was eliminated, and from that time until 1961 the revolvers were known as 4-screw guns.
Since the Model 19 (before they given model numbers by S&W in 1957) was introduced in 1955, it would have to be the first year of production.

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It doesn’t have a TT.
I was stating that my model 19 had the TT, TH and Patridge front sight. Looks like the gun the OP posted a picture of does have the wider target hammer.
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The Combat Magnum was introduced as a 4 screw model.
The 6 inch bbl, was first offered in 1963. As a 3 screw frame.

The Target Masterpiece started , as a short action in 1950.
Five screw frame ended in 1955-1956.

This 5 screw is a Target Masterpiece, stock model gun.
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So that makes it a k38?
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Basically, yes it's a K38, pre model 14.
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Old July 1, 2019, 10:24 PM   #23
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The model 14's front sight is not that tall, yet I remember years ago seeing that tall sight. I think those who say it is the original K38 Target Masterpiece are correct.

I don't know if it is just the way the light is hitting, but the cylinder bluing does not seem to match the rest of the revolver.
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Old July 2, 2019, 11:02 AM   #24
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Thanks for all the replies.

So there is no, was no, never will be no 5-screw Model 19 with a sail for a front sight.
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Thanks for all the replies.

So there is no, was no, never will be no 5-screw Model 19 with a sail for a front sight.
Per the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson there was never a 5 screw 19 (pre or otherwise). It is clearly a K-38 or K-32 (since we don't know caliber) with a patridge front sight blade.

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