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Old July 3, 2019, 09:48 PM   #1
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Any Ross rifle gurus around?

So I've gotten into something of a dangerous habit of watching Gunbroker to find good deals on historical firearms... even more dangerous because I've been successful a number of times!

Anyways, one particular interest of mine has always been turn of the century firearms, especially those experimenting with early straight-pull and semi-automatic designs.

Enter the Ross rifle that I won on gunbroker for $318 bid:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/818622514

Who can tell me anything about it? How did I do price wise? I'm more than happy with the price I won it at but I'm curious because there's not a huge sample size out there.

Here's what I think I know:
It's an early 2-lug, flush magazine model, making me think it's a Model 1905/Mk. 1
It's obviously sporterized but seems to be mostly original
Some of the original rear sight hardware is missing but the BSA receiver sight should do very well if it was mounted right (not super happy with the hole placement on the drill/tap job but that's pretty minor)

Now on to what I suspect:
Based on the worn roll marks and the immaculate bluing it appears to be a refinish.
The bolt sleeve and maybe the trigger appear to be color case hardened and the extractor a deep nitre blue?

So my thinking is that this was either some type of deluxe factory sporter, a very high quality re-arsenal/ commercial sporterizing job, or some gunsmith's personal project.

Any information on this would be greatly appreciated!
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Old July 4, 2019, 04:53 PM   #2
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It is an ex military M-1905 mk II rifle that looks like it's had a quicky sporter job .
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Old July 4, 2019, 06:30 PM   #3
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Thanks for your input. How can you identify this as ex military and whether it was US or Canadian?

Also, any guesses as to the refinish?

Thanks
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Old July 4, 2019, 06:40 PM   #4
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Never heard of a US Ross.
I don't think they put cutoffs on sporters.
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Old July 4, 2019, 06:44 PM   #5
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The US did end up with some Ross Rifles around WWI but they were exclusively used for drill and maybe some guard purposes IIRC. I think the NY National Guard made a sizable order to the effect of 10,000 or so
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Old July 5, 2019, 05:13 PM   #6
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I can just see some poor doughboy handed a Springfield after drilling with the Ross.
DB "Grunt, groan, I can't pull the bolt back."
DI "You have to lift the handle on this one first."
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Does anyone know if the MkII can regurgitate it's bolt in the same manner as an unriveted and incorrectly assembled MkIII?
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Old July 6, 2019, 10:55 AM   #8
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10-96, to my knowledge the Mk. II with the two lug bolt head does not have that issue. Forgotten Weapons had a very useful video on the topic
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Old July 6, 2019, 12:01 PM   #9
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There's a Ross forum here. https://www.milsurps.com/
As I recall, it was just the the Mk II that could send its bolt back into one's head if not put in correctly.
"...a quicky sporter job..." That's being polite.
"...after drilling with..." Drill is just walking around carrying a rifle. Which rifle it is makes not difference. Does actually need to be a rifle either. British Home Guard used broom sticks in 1939/40.
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Old July 6, 2019, 12:49 PM   #10
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There is-or was- a Ross Rifle Forum. Also Canadian Gun Nutz.
The Ross Mark III-I have one, hooray !-was the model issued to the CEF in 1914, IIRC that was the one where incorrect reinsertion of the bolt was dangerous.
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Old July 10, 2019, 08:42 PM   #11
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Well, I got the rifle home and there is nothing less confusing about it now. It was speculated as a military gun earlier but it also has a serial number on the receiver ring which I had read only commercial models had. Many of the small parts have two digit numbers stamped on them, none of which match exactly but which seem to be part of a numbering system (they range from 38 to 49 and several of them are consecutive numbers)
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I not sure about Ross rifles, eh.
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