280 Remington new reloader

Hockey44 · August 17, 2022, 04:12 PM

Since I can’t find any 160-165gn 280 Remington ammo for purchase, decided to become a reloader. I have Remington case head brass and Winchester case head nickel plated brass. I’ve reloaded 27 rounds of the Remington (because that’s all the primers my dad had left) but I haven’t been able to find a load using the Winchester. Does this type of nickel plated brass completely change the load data required compared to the Remington brass?

GeauxTide · August 17, 2022, 04:36 PM

One of my favorites. The only issue with Nickeled brass is the necks split much faster. All my brass is Rem, but I have a bunch of Win brass in other calibers and have found it about the best out there. The 3 280s I've loaded for have not liked max loads. My preferred powder is IMR4831 and 139 and 154 Interbonds print to the same POI and is right out of the Hornady X manual. It has been my practice to keep brands separate.

std7mag · August 18, 2022, 06:40 PM

Typically when changing components it's wise to start from a starting charge and work up.

The nickle cases may have thicker walls. Decreasing case volume.
So same powder charge may create higher pressures.

27 primers isn't much.
I use 10 for ladder test for powder charge, then more for seating depth test.

**Unclenick** · August 18, 2022, 06:51 PM

Hockey44, welcome to the forum.

No, loads do not change completely with the brass. The general rule of thumb is that you can use most any starting load with different cases and primers. Some bullets are too different to use with recipes for other bullets, but primers and cases seldom change things that much. The only exceptions are some odd cases with extra-thick brass. These will be noticeably heavier.

In this particular case, I think you will find the Winchester case is actually lighter than the Remington, so the same loads are likely to be just fine in it.

old roper · August 18, 2022, 08:04 PM

I have some Rem 280 new brass and some Winchester 280 nickel cases. I fire form brass in my wildcat 280AI.

Nickel cases weights average 194gr and Rem cases average 202gr. Both neck thickness is pretty close .013/.014.

I haven't had problem with Win brass but I did measured necks and check case weight and load density was close.

jmr40 · August 18, 2022, 09:49 PM

Not specific to 280. But I load for, or have in the past, 308, 30-06, 280, 338/06, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 WSM, and 6.5 CM. In my experience Winchester and Remington brass is close enough that I've found load data to interchange. I still separate my brass and will load in batches of only Winchester or only Remington. I've never noted enough difference between nickel plated and brass to matter either.

It would still be a good idea to back off the powder charge a bit if you have a load you are using any time you change components such as brass or primers. Especially if the load you're using is at or near max. If you're using a mid-range load that may not be necessary.

FWIW I also use some Hornady and Nosler brass. It has also proven to be close enough to use the same data. The only brass I've found where I had to significantly alter my powder charge was with military surplus 308 brass or Federal brass in any cartridge. Not implying Federal brass is bad, just that I needed to reduce my powder charges slightly when using that brass.

Paul B. · August 19, 2022, 03:06 PM

"Since I can’t find any 160-165gn 280 Remington ammo for purchase, decided to become a reloader. I have Remington case head brass and Winchester case head nickel plated brass. I’ve reloaded 27 rounds of the Remington (because that’s all the primers my dad had left) but I haven’t been able to find a load using the Winchester. Does this type of nickel plated brass completely change the load data required compared to the Remington brass?"

Simple answer on the nickel plater brass is no. Load them the same way as brass.
FWIW, That Winchester nickel plated brass is all I use in my .280 Rem. I can't give any suggested loads as the powder I use was discontinued probably close to 15 years now. I have a large supply so that's what I use. My choice of bullet is the discontinued Speer older style two core Grand Slam for elk and the regular Hot Core for deer.
Paul B.

reynolds357 · August 19, 2022, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey44

Since I can’t find any 160-165gn 280 Remington ammo for purchase, decided to become a reloader. I have Remington case head brass and Winchester case head nickel plated brass. I’ve reloaded 27 rounds of the Remington (because that’s all the primers my dad had left) but I haven’t been able to find a load using the Winchester. Does this type of nickel plated brass completely change the load data required compared to the Remington brass?

If you "follow the rules" you start back over at starting load any time you change any component in your load. From my experience, Rem and Win brass are near identical capacities. Norma and starline rifle brass are generally heavier and have smaller capacity.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · August 19, 2022, 09:47 PM

nickel plated or yellow brass. No difference in charging's. 280 is a potent cartridge. Don't have a 280 myself but I do own its little brother. 270 win.

The Happy kaboomer · August 19, 2022, 11:35 PM

I have been loading and shooting .280's for over 30 years. I have a Win featherweight and a Remington 700 BDL in that caliber. My go to bullet has always been a Sierra 140 gr Gameking. 2 years ago I switched to 140 gr Federal Fusion. I run "em" around 2850 FPS. My powder is always IMR4831. LOTS of deer have got a ride in my Chevy with my .280s'.

Marco Califo · August 20, 2022, 10:48 AM

"The nickle cases may have thicker walls. Decreasing case volume." I have never read this in any manual, and, frankly do not believe it is true. Nickle stands up to handling MUCH BETTER when handled every work shift. (think game wardens). I have NEVER seen load data with different loads for brass and nickle.

MarkCO · August 20, 2022, 11:22 AM

Same load data.

FWIW, I separate my Brass and Nickle cases per caliber. Nickle tends to crack a little sooner, so I don't want to reload them a lot. I'll gather a lot and load my favorite hunting load or defense load and put them in a sealed ammo box, labeled, in packs of 100 or 200, vacuum packed with a desiccant packet. I doubt I ever get to them, but the boys know where, and what they are. I'd guess in a few more years, I'll have enough to last them at least hunting and SD, for their lives.

My .280Rem brass gets fire formed to .280AI.

August 17, 2022, 04:12 PM	#1
Hockey44 Junior Member Join Date: August 17, 2022 Posts: 1	280 Remington new reloader Since I can’t find any 160-165gn 280 Remington ammo for purchase, decided to become a reloader. I have Remington case head brass and Winchester case head nickel plated brass. I’ve reloaded 27 rounds of the Remington (because that’s all the primers my dad had left) but I haven’t been able to find a load using the Winchester. Does this type of nickel plated brass completely change the load data required compared to the Remington brass?

August 17, 2022, 04:36 PM	#2
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,424	One of my favorites. The only issue with Nickeled brass is the necks split much faster. All my brass is Rem, but I have a bunch of Win brass in other calibers and have found it about the best out there. The 3 280s I've loaded for have not liked max loads. My preferred powder is IMR4831 and 139 and 154 Interbonds print to the same POI and is right out of the Hornady X manual. It has been my practice to keep brands separate. __________________ Reloading For: 223R, 243W, 6.5 GR, 6.5 CM, 260R, 6.5-06, 280R, 7mmRM, 300HAM'R, 308W, 30-06, 338-06, 9mm, 357M, 41M, 44SPL, 44M, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 450BM. Last edited by GeauxTide; August 18, 2022 at 10:15 PM.

August 18, 2022, 06:40 PM	#3
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Typically when changing components it's wise to start from a starting charge and work up. The nickle cases may have thicker walls. Decreasing case volume. So same powder charge may create higher pressures. 27 primers isn't much. I use 10 for ladder test for powder charge, then more for seating depth test. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

August 18, 2022, 06:51 PM	#4
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Hockey44, welcome to the forum. No, loads do not change completely with the brass. The general rule of thumb is that you can use most any starting load with different cases and primers. Some bullets are too different to use with recipes for other bullets, but primers and cases seldom change things that much. The only exceptions are some odd cases with extra-thick brass. These will be noticeably heavier. In this particular case, I think you will find the Winchester case is actually lighter than the Remington, so the same loads are likely to be just fine in it. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

August 18, 2022, 08:04 PM	#5
old roper Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Posts: 2,155	I have some Rem 280 new brass and some Winchester 280 nickel cases. I fire form brass in my wildcat 280AI. Nickel cases weights average 194gr and Rem cases average 202gr. Both neck thickness is pretty close .013/.014. I haven't had problem with Win brass but I did measured necks and check case weight and load density was close. __________________ Semper Fi Vietnam 1965 VFW Life member NRA Life Member

August 18, 2022, 09:49 PM	#6
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,809	Not specific to 280. But I load for, or have in the past, 308, 30-06, 280, 338/06, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 WSM, and 6.5 CM. In my experience Winchester and Remington brass is close enough that I've found load data to interchange. I still separate my brass and will load in batches of only Winchester or only Remington. I've never noted enough difference between nickel plated and brass to matter either. It would still be a good idea to back off the powder charge a bit if you have a load you are using any time you change components such as brass or primers. Especially if the load you're using is at or near max. If you're using a mid-range load that may not be necessary. FWIW I also use some Hornady and Nosler brass. It has also proven to be close enough to use the same data. The only brass I've found where I had to significantly alter my powder charge was with military surplus 308 brass or Federal brass in any cartridge. Not implying Federal brass is bad, just that I needed to reduce my powder charges slightly when using that brass. __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

August 19, 2022, 03:06 PM	#7
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	"Since I can’t find any 160-165gn 280 Remington ammo for purchase, decided to become a reloader. I have Remington case head brass and Winchester case head nickel plated brass. I’ve reloaded 27 rounds of the Remington (because that’s all the primers my dad had left) but I haven’t been able to find a load using the Winchester. Does this type of nickel plated brass completely change the load data required compared to the Remington brass?" Simple answer on the nickel plater brass is no. Load them the same way as brass. FWIW, That Winchester nickel plated brass is all I use in my .280 Rem. I can't give any suggested loads as the powder I use was discontinued probably close to 15 years now. I have a large supply so that's what I use. My choice of bullet is the discontinued Speer older style two core Grand Slam for elk and the regular Hot Core for deer. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

August 19, 2022, 09:47 PM	#9
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	nickel plated or yellow brass. No difference in charging's. 280 is a potent cartridge. Don't have a 280 myself but I do own its little brother. 270 win.

August 19, 2022, 11:35 PM	#10
The Happy kaboomer Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Posts: 226	I have been loading and shooting .280's for over 30 years. I have a Win featherweight and a Remington 700 BDL in that caliber. My go to bullet has always been a Sierra 140 gr Gameking. 2 years ago I switched to 140 gr Federal Fusion. I run "em" around 2850 FPS. My powder is always IMR4831. LOTS of deer have got a ride in my Chevy with my .280s'.

August 20, 2022, 10:48 AM	#11
Marco Califo Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: LA (Greater Los Angeles Area) Posts: 2,598	"The nickle cases may have thicker walls. Decreasing case volume." I have never read this in any manual, and, frankly do not believe it is true. Nickle stands up to handling MUCH BETTER when handled every work shift. (think game wardens). I have NEVER seen load data with different loads for brass and nickle. __________________ ............

August 20, 2022, 11:22 AM	#12
MarkCO Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 4,308	Same load data. FWIW, I separate my Brass and Nickle cases per caliber. Nickle tends to crack a little sooner, so I don't want to reload them a lot. I'll gather a lot and load my favorite hunting load or defense load and put them in a sealed ammo box, labeled, in packs of 100 or 200, vacuum packed with a desiccant packet. I doubt I ever get to them, but the boys know where, and what they are. I'd guess in a few more years, I'll have enough to last them at least hunting and SD, for their lives. My .280Rem brass gets fire formed to .280AI. __________________ Good Shooting, MarkCO www.CarbonArms.us