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March 13, 2009, 12:29 AM | #1 | |
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It didn't take long for the call to go out ...
but it never does.
This article, slated for the WSJ tomorrow, shows the propensity of the antis to immediately glom onto any tragedy to further their agenda. The tragedy in Alabama is no exception. The article also includes a picture of the weapon types the shooter used. There is good news in the article in that many Democrats who would normally be in favor of more stringent firearms controls are backing away from such measures. Harry Reid says he will not support a new AWB and apparently did not support the last one or the renewal. Pelosi is of like mind on new legislation. Neither want to have a pro firearms control record being held against them at their next election. Apparently, Dianne Feinstein and Carolyn McCarthy have no such concerns. SOURCE Quote:
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March 13, 2009, 03:06 AM | #2 |
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Pelosi opposes renewing assault weapons ban? Has her brain suddenly started working? That just about floored me!
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Well of course there are those who will call for reinstating the AWB. They view guns much in the same way others would view Ford Pintos or nuclear power plants. They think they are doing society a favor.
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March 13, 2009, 07:53 AM | #4 |
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If the democratic party went pro gun I think they would lay waste to the republicans and never have to worry about purse strings again.
I still wouldn't vote for them as much as Republicans, but I think many would. Maybe I would, I plan to vote for Strickland. What congress has not had these issues brought up? I think this round is still pandering for special interest groups. |
March 13, 2009, 11:20 AM | #5 | |
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March 13, 2009, 11:27 AM | #6 | |
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I think a lot of people have unintentionally mischaracterized what Pelosi actually said, and have morphed that into the idea that she opposes the AWB. The only thing Pelosi said when asked, was that she hadn't been consulted and then said the following:
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March 13, 2009, 11:33 AM | #7 |
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Let's not go thinking that Pelosi actually supports the RKBA.
She doesn't want to try a new AWB for two possible reasons: 1. She doesn't have the votes to get one passed in the house because of the many pro gun congressman from her party. 2. Gun control has been a losing issue for her party for 15 years. And she knows that even an attempt to pass new gun control will likely cost her party seats in the next election. Not to mention the history of the presidential party in midterm elections is not good. She certainly doesn't want to add to possible losses come election day. The decision by Pelosi is purely political and has nothing to do with any new found support for the RKBA. If she had the votes and political captial she would certainly try and pass the most restrictive gun control she could. |
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"Military-bred firearms"? I wish I could get my guns to breed. And of course highly selective outrage. A few years ago a policeman in Ocean County NJ killed 5 people with a department submachine gun. How much did you hear about that?
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March 13, 2009, 02:56 PM | #9 | |
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March 13, 2009, 03:32 PM | #10 |
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Don't believe for a minute the leopard has changed its spots
Reid, Pelosi, et. al haven't changed anything, except their visible public activism. They are simply letting other, lower ranking party members be their stalking horses on the gun control issue. Opening their mouths now would do them more harm than good, and they know it. So they don't.
rest assured that if they saw they could do it (51% Mr & MRS America, Turn 'em all in!) they would do it in a heartbeat. While gun control may be an issue of personal satisfaction for these people, their agenda is bigger than that, and they are willing, for now, to bide their time.
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I found it disturbing that they mentioned this:
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giving up
I have about given up on the anti's opening their eyes and seeing that these perpetrators pick targets that they know have no guns to oppose them. If there were going to be firearms brought in to play against them most of these crimes would not happen. If they would notice police stations or other places where they know they will be facing guns are avoided. Carrying this over to CCW if the criminals know there is a ban on civilians having guns they are not afraid to victimize individuals but if there is a chance a person might be armed they will avoid them. Maybe the only way that the anti's will see logic is for them to pass a bill where they can get free vision care for themselves. I hope someday they will open their other eye and see reality. stay safe
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Or the fact that he only targeted people who were not like him.
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+1 re: Pelosi and Reid.
The fact that Reid didn't support the AWB and didn't vote to resurrect it only reflects his desire to stay in office, not any idealogical or philisophical stance in support of the 2A right. IF... IF the Dems push any kind of AWB, our opposition to it should be swift, adamant and overwhelming. That means not only flooding Congress with letters saying "no", but Hell NO!, but getting the ear of every media person to tell them that we will vote the entire bunch out at the polls. We can be civil in our communications and still get the ire across. Politicians fear organized and angry consituents because they can drum up support for a different candidate. Quote:
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Pelosi is against the AWB being re-instituted because she remembers these words:
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That's right, that's right. Principles don't matter, votes do.
Anybody else see any relation between that philosophy and where we are today?
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That's right, principles matter. That's why George W. Bush's failure to truly push for the AWB that he supported shows that he was a man of NO principles.
My, am I getting political or historical? Politicians play political games. If we want a reasonable atmosphere for gun rights, we cannot commit political suicide. Both parties have extreme loonies that are antithetical to liberty. The GOP nuts want to control the crotches of American and the Democratic nuts want to control the guns. Give each side a strong majority and tyranny will surface. Of course, if you believe in one of those tyrannies, you are just fine in oppressing the people on that dimension.
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March 15, 2009 On the Hill Issue of Gun Rights Still Holds Sway By CARL HULSE Democrats have been exorcising some of their most stubborn political demons of late. In challenging former President George W. Bush over the war in Iraq, they showed they were overcoming their deep post-Vietnam fear of being painted as weak on defense when taking a strong anti-war stance. Now, exhibiting comfort with rolling back Bush-era tax cuts, Democrats seem to be losing their anxiety about the tax-and-spend label. But there is one issue that retains the power to leave Democrats quivering: gun rights. Gun issues still persistently tie the party in knots and have been used by Republicans to stall two major bills this year, with more likely to come. “It is a hot-button issue,” said Representative Allen Boyd, Democrat of Florida, a longtime hunter and one of the moderates who typically split from the more liberal wing of the party to support the rights of gun owners. “Some people around here know they can use it as a wedge issue, and they try to do that.” It is a particularly hot-button topic with veteran Congressional Democrats who believe the party’s strong support for a 1994 assault weapons ban was the real reason they lost control of the House that year — not the House bank scandal, the failed health care initiative, the Contract with America or Newt Gingrich. The power of that bad memory was unmistakable a few weeks ago in the immediacy with which Speaker Nancy Pelosi shot down the suggestion by new Attorney General Eric Holder that Congress might reinstitute the assault weapons ban. “On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” said Ms. Pelosi, echoing the position often taken by advocates of gun rights. Gun rights are probably equaled only by abortion rights in their ability to split Democrats and create political havoc. Well aware of the Democratic sensitivity on guns and the reluctance of suburban and rural lawmakers to cast any vote that could be perceived as anti-gun, Republicans see the issue as one of their most effective poison pills to sabotage legislation. They were able to add an expansion of gun ownership in the District of Columbia to a long-sought measure giving the district a full-voting seat in the House of Representatives. Now the gun issue is an anchor on the bill in the House. Democrats also came up just short of winning approval of a public lands bill this week because of three Democratic holdouts. They were influenced in part by concerns that the bill would upset gun owners even though the National Rifle Association had already signed off after a promise that the bill would not curtail hunting on federal land. Democratic leaders admit they are confounded by the mounting problems with gun votes and are trying to find a way out of a situation that is partly a product of their own success. The wider their majority, the more members Democrats have from swing districts where gun rights are likely to be a prominent issue. One of those members, Representative Travis Childers of Mississippi, last year was able to win House approval of his plan to let residents of the District of Columbia buy and keep guns in their homes for self-protection, a further retreat from the district’s virtually universal ban on legal handgun ownership that had already been relaxed by the Supreme Court. “The Second Amendment right is a long-standing pillar in our system of government, and I believe law-abiding citizens should have the right to defend their homes in the District of Columbia, just like they have the ability to do so in the First Congressional District of Mississippi,” said Mr. Childers, who persuaded 81 other Democrats to side with him. Democratic leaders say that baseline of 80 or so Democrats has undoubtedly grown, given gains in moderate districts last November, providing a solid House majority for gun rights when combined when strong support among Republicans. The cultural shift is pronounced — this week’s mass shootings in Alabama and Germany stirred hardly a Congressional call for new gun restrictions, a contrast from past episodes. Even with important legislation on the line, Ms. Pelosi and other Democratic leaders seem unwilling to demand that Democrats with a record of backing gun rights relent when the issue is secondary, as is the case with the District of Columbia voting-rights bill. “Members come here to represent their districts, and I respect that,” Ms. Pelosi said. And the fact is many conservative and moderate Democrats are not simply acting out of worry of getting a black mark from the N.R.A — they are hunters and sportsmen and strongly believe in the right to own and bear arms. But what some Democratic leaders fear is that Republicans are taking better advantage of the party divide on the subject and will step up their use of gun rights to derail other issues in the months ahead. Mr. Boyd, the Florida lawmaker, said that Democrats cannot let that happen. “The truth is this administration and this Congress have some very serious economic problems to deal with and we are going to get through them,” he said. “Hopefully we will work around these distractions.” I have said it before, and will say it again...the gun war is won in the trenches. Your local congresscritter is your best friend. For the price of a cheap gun, $250 paid into his campaign coffers, you will have your voice heard. If he is on the fence, the local gun club with cash in hand can make a difference, as will letters from all your shooting buddies. Screw principles in politics. Its all about getting elected. Less whining here, less screeching and more activism is the key. WildimsleepyAlaska TM |
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