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April 27, 2014, 01:04 AM | #1 |
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Sugestions for first supressor
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Looking to buy my first suppressor this summer but I have a few things that I want. Quick detach, work for .308 and my .223 (maybe 7.62x39 as well), and my budget limit is like $500~800. I don't are much about size, weight, or anything else special like that. The main gun it will be on is probably my AR, but having it work well on my .308 (i.e. not impacting accuracy too much). So far I am looking at YHM as my first choice as best bang for buck. |
April 27, 2014, 03:28 AM | #2 |
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YHM makes good stuff, but -- in my opinion -- the best bang-for-your-buck BY FAR is the Silencerco Specwar 7.62. It's super-quiet, it has a rock-solid mounting system (many other quick-attach mounting systems have some play), it comes with a mount, and the baffles are made from stellite, which is stronger than any material used by any other company (even stronger than inconel), and it's even rated for 300 Win Mag.
The only real downside of the Specwar is it's longer (and therefore heavier) than most quick-attach 7.62 silencers. For some people that's a downside, and that's why they look to other models. But if size and weight don't matter, the Specwar is definitely the way to go. And the extra length is what makes it quieter than most other 7.62 suppressors. And best of all, it's fairly cheap; MSRP is $899 but you should be able to find it for less than that; SilencerShop.com has them for $720, mount included.
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April 27, 2014, 04:26 AM | #4 |
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First off- thumbs up for thinking ahead and leaning for a 308 can rather than .223/5.56. My first was an AAC M4-2000 (5.56) and as soon as the stamp came I wished it was capable of 308!
Surefire is fantastic, but way expensive. The silencerco saker's are very nice as are the AAC SDN-6 cans. Personally, I'd go for the AAC for versatility/size/weight. It will mount to any of the fast attach mounts between guns of different calibers and is about 1" longer than the 5.56 can. Also, be mindful that AAC stuff is "fast ATTACH" but can sometimes be a pain to remove. The saker's have sever different mounting options that can save you money and make the more expensive can worth it. I have AAC mounts on all my guns and at ~$100 a pop it gets expensive. Their brakes and flash hiders are excellent but it's a cost that can sting. Cool thing with sakers is you can do the standard "A2" mount, and if you want some sort of brake/FH the battlecomp is available. Gives you range from $5-150 rather than the required AAC ratchet mount. |
April 27, 2014, 06:57 AM | #5 |
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Anything in my criteria that is rebuildable? That's one of those things that baffles me (no pun intended) that you buy something so expensive and you can't replace the parts easily.
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You don't need to clean the internals of a rifle can, so the only reason to make it able to be disassembled is for the customer to be able to rebuild it, but that wouldn't be legal: It's against the law for someone to have any extra silencer parts. He would have to send it in to the manufacturer to rebuild it anyways. And considering modern rifle silencers last for many tens of thousands of rounds, most people will never shoot them enough to need a re-build: You'll shoot your barrel out long before you shoot out your suppressor. That said, there are some companies that sell rifle silencers that can easily be disassembled and rebuilt by the manufacturer. But they tend to be louder and heavier, so I would never own one.
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True, but the majority of people don't shoot cast lead bullets in their rifles, so the market for serviceable rifle cans is very small.
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So if you're using versatility/size/weight to decide between the two, the Saker wins hands-down.
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Yeah, for 300 Blackout the extra strength of a welded can isn't as important. But if you're shooting a lot of rapid-fire 5.56 or 7.62 (especially out of an SBR), you probably want a fully-welded inconel can (or stellite, if you're buying from Silencerco). Stainless and titanium baffles erode more quickly under heavy use, and take-apart cans don't handle the abuse of full-power rifle rounds as well as sealed cans (and, as far as I know, no one makes a take-apart inconel rifle can).
But it all comes down to personal preference. Me, I prefer having a stronger, more durable silencer that will stand up better to rapid-fire and SBR use, and I don't mind having to shoot jacketed bullets because of that. But if you want the ability to shoot cast bullets and .22 at the expense of having a can that's less durable (and often louder), then companies like Liberty and Thompson Machine offer some good options.
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Theo,
I can't believe they canx'ed the A2 mount, that was something I really liked about the Saker. But no doubt, the mounting options are still light years beyond the single choice you get with AAC. As for versatility- that was more regarding the 7.62 vs. 5.56 option than it was Saker vs. SDN-6. My bad, I was vague with that part. Have you had wobbly 51T mounts? My two AAC cans both lock up really tight with no play but I have heard exactly what you described with several other people. Maybe I just lucked out and got a couple good ones. Saker's do seem to have a stronger mount (or engineered better) that reminds me of how the surefire mounts with the cam lock. Edited to add: is there any gain with the Saker weight? They have been coming out with so much stuff (ie, Hunter) that it's getting hard to keep them all straight. If the weight gave the ability to shoot some higher pressure rounds than the AAC (above 308) it would be much more worth the weight. |
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But after a while I realized this was mostly pointless; the wobble often changes the more you mount and un-mount the can and you put wear on the ratchet system. When I first bought my SDN-6 I found a Blackout mount with zero wobble, but now that I've had it for a while it wobbles a bit. It's not a really big deal, and it tends to go through cycles of being wobbly and then tight as the ratchet system on the can wears along with the teeth on the mount. But you can slow down the wear by pressing the ratchet latch while screwing on the can. I know a few people who have never had wobble issues at all, but they're in the minority. And the wobble issues seem to be a little more prevalent with the flash hider mounts than the muzzle brake mounts. Quote:
Silencerco hasn't come out with any new stuff recently other than the 7.62 Saker and the Harvester (the Hunter is from AAC). But their product line appeared to get bigger because they finally merged the SWR product line into their own: Silencerco has owned SWR for several years, but until late last year they officially kept the product lines separate even though they were both made in the same place. I love my SDN-6 and I'm totally happy with it. But if I were making the choice now I'd pick the 7.62 Saker: It has several advantages over the SDN-6 without a single disadvantage (unless you count the fact that it weights 0.7 ounces more).
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I finally had a chance today to take my AR15 and Specwar out to the range. I LOVE IT! It is really quiet, and I did not experience any blowback. I use the Specwar trifecta flash hider to mount it, and mounting and dismounting couldn't be any easier. Really, I couldn't be any happier with the Specwar.
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