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July 28, 2011, 07:09 PM | #1 |
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I got "Interviewed" this evening
I was the only person cleaning my car at the car wash just as it's getting dark. Two big males (19'ish) are riding 'round and round the parking lot on some BMX bikes. They aren't talking to each other or looking at each other, both of them were watching me like hawks. Finally one of them stops at the back of the wash bay and the other stops at the front.
Quick like the bunny I'm back in my vehicle and start the engine. I start pulling forward and that guy moves aside but slaps my hood as I'm pulling out. I keep going. I pull over about three blocks away and call the cops, when the "bike dudes" see me on the phone they bolt. Cops come, I describe the event and give a good description of the subjects and their bikes. The cops thank me and I go home. Just another reminder folks, keep yer antennas up, yer eyes open, and have an exit plan.
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Sounds like you did good.
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July 28, 2011, 07:40 PM | #3 |
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Situational Awareness! You get to keep yer teeth today, Z!
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Yes, and you didn't have to shoot anyone.
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July 28, 2011, 09:34 PM | #5 |
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I posted this on another site and there was some confusion about the term "interviewed".
In case anyone doesn't know, here's the best summary I could find in a fast search. 5 Stages of Violent Crime
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July 28, 2011, 10:03 PM | #6 |
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Darn, ZeSpectre,
The sharks were circling and you got out without injury or Problem 2. Well done, sir.
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July 28, 2011, 10:35 PM | #7 |
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Well done sir. Hopefully your interview will get them caught.
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July 28, 2011, 10:38 PM | #8 |
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Good situationial awareness!
I am glad that nothing came of it.
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July 28, 2011, 10:39 PM | #9 |
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Stay alert, stay alive....
This is a good reminder to keep alert, at night or in low light areas most of all.
About 2mo in my metro area, a young guy in his late 20s was washing his vehicle at a deserted car wash around 1200am-100am. The male was attacked by armed robbers who stole his car & shot/killed the unarmed victim. As a recent SWAT article says, remember the 1+1 rule too. If there is one bad guy there may be 2 or more. If you take 1 weapon away from a violent subject, he/she may have more hidden on them. This is worthy advice not just for cops or armed professionals but concealed license holders too. |
July 28, 2011, 11:04 PM | #10 |
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ZeSpectre - That's a A+ for your SA.
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July 28, 2011, 11:18 PM | #11 |
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Mighty difficult to lose the fight if you're gone when it starts. Good job.
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July 28, 2011, 11:36 PM | #14 |
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On my list of places to avoid
You do realize, I'm sure, that the guy slapping your car was a move intended to make you stop and get out and confront him.
It takes a lot of presence of mind not to rise to such bait; congratulations! But a carwash bay is a particularly vulnerable place to be; your field of vision is limited and you're distracted. If the bay has a garage-type door (or doors) that can be lowered, you're almost better off; if it's open at both ends and there are 2 predators, you can be in deep doo-doo in a hurry, even if armed. Are you gonna shoot 2 (presumably) unarmed skells rushing you from 2 directions? It's way better to avoid such places, or go only when there are lots of folks lined up to wash their cars. I think having a clean car is overrated anyway. I just washed my Jeep for the first time this year! Most of the time, I just dunk it! |
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Dang, Ze, when the guy slapped your car you should have put a round through his bike!
(Just kidding!) Good job at keeping your cool.
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July 29, 2011, 08:39 AM | #16 |
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@Ringolevio,
Yeah I was well aware that it was a deliberate tactic to try and get a rise out of me. I wasn't playing that game. I'm a fairly big guy but I'm not ever going to voluntarily go toe-to-toe with two fit 20-something punks if I can avoid it. Considering those times when I've been oblivious (not often, but it happens) I'm really glad the situational awareness came through. I'm also glad the local PD responded and took it seriously. Then again they are trying to recover from a serious "black eye" in terms of community relations after this incident.
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I think you acted quite appropriately in that situation. Instead of just reacting to them, you reacted, then took over and acted so they had to react to you. You were aware something was wrong, did not over react, took appropriate action to keep a situation from possibly escalating, and then did the right thing by calling police once you were sure you were safe.
I was a bit puzzled about the title of your post though until I read your explanation: Quote:
Imagine that things had turned out differently. As you drove away, in an alarmed state, and somewhat faster than maybe was safe from a car wash, you hit the guy who went to slap your hood. He is severely injured but survives. He testifies as does his friend that they were just hoping to get your attention so you would watch them do tricks on their bikes in the lot. He also says that the only reason he slapped out at your car was because it appeared you were aiming to hit him and coming at him at an usually high rate of speed for the area you were in. You told the cops, upon their arrival, that the guys interviewed you and then that you decided to drive away and then intended to call the cops. Well, you did drive away, and you were safe, and you called the cops, but you also just ran this guy down. It turns out they have a past history of doing exactly what they testified that they had been doing - showing off on their bikes and they never harmed anyone before. That does not mean though, that you were not justified in having been scared or that you were not justified to take the actions that you did take even if you had wrongly surmised their intent. What maters is what a reasonable person would have thought. Do you think that maybe, you could have used a better way of describing what they had been doing, that alarmed you and made you get out of their quickly, so that you could have better justified your actions other than confusing people by saying you had been interviewed by those two when it fact no interview, by commonly accepted definition of that word, ever took place. All the best, GB
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I believe it would have been a better lesson for those kids to have a gun drawn on them. Im only speaking hypothetically as I know the repercussions of such an act.
I think they might have thought about it more before they decide to do that to someone else if the last time they had the crap scared out of them. Yes I know you can get into trouble for even pointing a gun. Merely stating it sucks that two thugs have more rights than the guy minding his own business washing his car. |
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pretty sad
they'll take any opportunity they can get...and then hypothetically, the one God spares will someday realize not to judge a book by it's cover
naive punks
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July 29, 2011, 10:01 AM | #20 |
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Glenn Bartley,
I understand what you are saying but the "stages of violent crime" were part of my basic training and while I'd use the terms here in reference to criminal behavior I'd never use an "insider" term like that if I were filing a report or talking in a court of law unless I was able to render a definition as well. As for the rest of the "suppose" scenario you mention, I understand what you are saying, but overthinking stuff like that is precisely what paralyzes folks until it's too late to act. Even with confidence in my judgement of their intentions and a rough plan-of-action in mind there was definitely a section of my mind screaming at me about how ugly it was going to be if I had to run over the guy in front of me and it was HARD to make myself push down on the gas pedal because I was not sure he was going to move.
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So the guy on bike is in front of you..
and you're driving a car? Sounds like a "Darwin award" to me.
You did good and gave the LEO's good information. Spreading it around will help others by reading and filing in back of minds for recall. Had to get gas for car couple years ago outside Gary, IN, was at stop light and caught movement on passenger side of the Caravan. Was only vehicle there. Swung head towards movement and same time was dropping right hand to the M15 on floor. Was fully licensed and under reciprocity for IN. Movement left at higher speed after making eye contact. I was followed with higher speed, my own direction. |
July 29, 2011, 10:42 AM | #22 |
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"Interview"
I, too, had a different idea of what the thread was going to be about based on the use of the word "interview". I generally think of "interview" as a milder word for "interrogate".
But I understand why you chose to use that word. It was a great excuse to make us all aware of (or to remind us of) "The 5 Stages of Violent Crime". In more common parlance, you would have said they were "casing" you. |
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What I want to know is were you ****** that you didnt get to finish using your paid for time at the wash?
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July 29, 2011, 11:13 AM | #24 |
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Do we open only those threads with titles we completely understand?
I saw the title and because it was new decided to check it out. Took about 2 seconds to decide to read on. Also, Z saw something potentially bad beginning and got the hell gone by doing what was the best way out. Monday morning quarter backing happens on Monday—the game was last Saturday. Monday doesn’t count; Saturday does.
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The delinquent who hit your car is pretty darn brave to hit your car because some people on this earth can loose it from stuff like that and point their gun and shoot
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