Defense: Pump illegal, so: Second Hand Mossberg 9200 Semi or Baikal Coach Gun?

Para Bellum · October 1, 2006, 12:41 PM

Pump Guns are illegal where I live so I have the following choice:

For a CQB defense gun up to 10yds:

- Baikal Coach Gun for EUR 390,-

or

- a hardly used Second hand Mossberg 9200 18" parkerized Semi Auto for EUR 490,-

I intend to keep the gun loaded and ready for years.
Thank you for your time and thought.
PB

liliysdad · October 1, 2006, 01:09 PM

You can have a semi auto, but no pump? Wow, simply wow.

I would go with the 9200 no questions asked. However, Id hunt around for an 100 or 11-87 first.

Para Bellum · October 1, 2006, 01:38 PM

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You can have a semi auto, but no pump? Wow, simply wow.

Yes that is weird but true. We had a time when the pump shotgun was the favorite tool in a serious of bank robberies. Our politicians found it smart to ban these "bad bad guns". Makes no sense at all, I know.

My main conern is reliability. I don't really expect a defense-situation to requrie more than two 00 Buck shots. If yo, there still is a Glock I carry 24/7.

So the Mossberg 9200 would only be an option if I don't have to worry about it to jam with 00 Buck loads or slugs.

liliysdad · October 1, 2006, 01:47 PM

In my experience, the 9200 is a very reliable gun. I prefer the Remingtons, based solely on personal preference. I would take the Mossberg over any Baikal product, but thats me.

ITEOTWAWKI · October 1, 2006, 02:38 PM

Couldn't you take the hunting plug out of the mossberg and get a few more rounds in there?

Para Bellum · October 1, 2006, 03:41 PM

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hunting plug

there is no such thing. the magazine holds 4 rds (or 5?)...

ITEOTWAWKI · October 1, 2006, 04:10 PM

Oh, well that's enough to get by...so how many rounds does it take to rob a bank that pumps are unacceptable?

AFshooter · October 1, 2006, 05:12 PM

I'm wow over that semi/pump thing too.
Like I think some country you can have a suppressor no problem but no semi-rifles. Australia is it?

Crosshair · October 1, 2006, 05:26 PM

Personaly I would go with the SxS. Don't have to worry about cycling and you have an instant second shot.

jfrey123 · October 1, 2006, 08:25 PM

I second the side by side...

Had problems with my Browning Auto-5 on Saturday out skeet shooting. It's something that has been corrected, but man it's a confidence killer when you pull the trigger and nothing happens.

You should never have that problem with a side by side, and if you need more than two trigger pulls of buck shot, you're in really, really deep S.

webbee · October 1, 2006, 08:35 PM

I'd go with the 9200. Is it an "A" model? A's are heavier duty use. They were originally designed for the DEA as a "jungle gun" for use against the drug running insurgents in Columbia. I thing the FBI had some too. There were a lot of the plain 9200's made in many finishes and barrel configurations.
All 9200 production has ceased at Mossberg. It's an excellent light autoloader that feeds about anything.
The reason I choose an auto over the SxS is capacity. If you are facing multiple invaders, as in a home invasion, capacity is king.
You will need to shoot whatever you buy. Practice is everything.
Learn to clean often. A sitting weapon gathers dust and oil gels if left long enough. Not to mention the rust problem.

Good luck with whatever you buy and great shooting.

Dwight55 · October 1, 2006, 08:37 PM

I'll take that semi auto any day also. Mine is a Beretta, . . . holds 3 ea # 4 buck, . . . 2 00 buck, . . . and 2 slugs, . . . in that order. Stands ready at all times to do its job.

I've never personally done it, . . . but I'm told the action is fast enough to have all seven empties in the air at the same time. That's a lot of lead flying.

Again, . . . my vote is for the Mossberg.

May God bless,
Dwight

jrklaus · October 2, 2006, 07:17 PM

If you do choose a side-by-side, you may want to consider one without external hammers. Otherwise, I think I personally would vote for the semi-auto. Good luck whatever you choose!

VUPDblue · October 2, 2006, 07:47 PM

I'd take the semi just because of more available rounds without reloading.

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Like I think some country you can have a suppressor no problem but no semi-rifles. Australia is it?

Think that's screwy? In WA state, you can own a suppressor, but it is against the law to mount it and use it...

Para Bellum · October 4, 2006, 03:46 PM

Thanks folks,

I decided today and finally bought a 12ga coach gun with 20" barrels and external cocking levers for the job (Baikal 43). It felt best in my hands and the 99.99% reliability of the fast second shot, i.e. two independent barrels, triggers and hammers finally convinced me. And: Both barrels fired equals or even tops a whole magazine from a machine gun. If that doesn't help, I'd still have my 9mm loaded with 16 EMBs..

I'll load the coach-gun with antimony hardened #1 Buckshot.
Here's the reason why I prefer #1 buckshot over 00 or 000:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm

and, here's the little gun:

ITEOTWAWKI · October 4, 2006, 04:40 PM

Nice choice! What it lacks in ammo capacity, it makes up for in class. Will surely be more of a great conversation peice than an auto as well.

gunslinger555 · October 4, 2006, 07:38 PM

OMG you cant have pump but you can have a semi? omg..omg..omg

hehz0r · October 4, 2006, 07:56 PM

Are you going to add a recoil pad to that? I imagine it would be very uncomfortable without one.

Para Bellum · October 5, 2006, 05:25 AM

Recoil-Pad: Definately. It now has a hard-plastic-end. Maybe for use as a lethal weapon both ways round.

liliysdad · October 5, 2006, 04:46 PM

I feel you made a poor choice.

However, good luck, and make sure and practice with what you have. That is the biggest piece of the puzzle.

smooks75 · October 5, 2006, 04:55 PM

I have to agree with liliysdad. Practice, practice, practice. I have shot the 9200 and I would have bought that one but....Just shoot and have a great time! I have one and YES it does kick alot! Keep shooting!

Hard Ball · October 5, 2006, 05:05 PM

Go for the semi auto. Two shotd may not be enough.

tulsamal · October 6, 2006, 02:25 AM

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If you do choose a side-by-side, you may want to consider one without external hammers.

I have one of those SxS's stashed away (Bounty Hunter II or something like that) and the external hammers were a big part of the reason I wanted it! I can load that gun and apply the tang safety. Hammers are down. I could leave that gun like that for a hundred years and it is going to fire when you cock the hammers, take off the safety, and pull one of the triggers. Being able to store it with hammers down means the springs are relaxed. It is both safer and better for long term storage.

And I always figure it would take a bad guy an extra five seconds to figure out how the heck to fire it if he got to it first. Between the safety and the hammers, I would have a chance to either run or jump on him. A lot better than taking a 12 gauge load of buckshot to the stomach!

Now if the choice was between the SxS and the FN semiauto shotgun....

Gregg

bigghoss · October 6, 2006, 08:42 PM

I would go with the side by side since you want to leave it loaded all the time, that way you don't have to worry about spring fatuige. I don't even leave my moss 500 loaded for that reason. I keep my S&W 19 loaded instead. I would like to get a SXS also. can never be too prepared.

liliysdad · October 6, 2006, 09:19 PM

Spring fatigue is not caused by the extended compression of a spring, it is caused by the repeated cycling of said spring. In essence, you are fatiguing the spring far more by loading and unloading than you would by leaving it loaded.

October 1, 2006, 05:12 PM	#8
AFshooter Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2006 Location: Eastern Nebraska Posts: 375	I'm wow over that semi/pump thing too. Like I think some country you can have a suppressor no problem but no semi-rifles. Australia is it? __________________ 03 FFL, Certified Glock Armorer, Nebraska Concealed Carry

October 1, 2006, 05:26 PM	#9
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	Personaly I would go with the SxS. Don't have to worry about cycling and you have an instant second shot. __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.

October 1, 2006, 08:37 PM	#12
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	I'll take that semi auto any day also. Mine is a Beretta, . . . holds 3 ea # 4 buck, . . . 2 00 buck, . . . and 2 slugs, . . . in that order. Stands ready at all times to do its job. I've never personally done it, . . . but I'm told the action is fast enough to have all seven empties in the air at the same time. That's a lot of lead flying. Again, . . . my vote is for the Mossberg. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

October 4, 2006, 03:46 PM	#15
Para Bellum Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Location: right there Posts: 1,882	decided: Coach Gun + No. 1 Buckshot Thanks folks, I decided today and finally bought a 12ga coach gun with 20" barrels and external cocking levers for the job (Baikal 43). It felt best in my hands and the 99.99% reliability of the fast second shot, i.e. two independent barrels, triggers and hammers finally convinced me. And: Both barrels fired equals or even tops a whole magazine from a machine gun. If that doesn't help, I'd still have my 9mm loaded with 16 EMBs.. I'll load the coach-gun with antimony hardened #1 Buckshot. Here's the reason why I prefer #1 buckshot over 00 or 000: http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm and, here's the little gun: __________________ Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war

October 4, 2006, 07:38 PM	#17
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	OMG you cant have pump but you can have a semi? omg..omg..omg __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!

October 1, 2006, 12:41 PM	#1
Para Bellum Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Location: right there Posts: 1,882	Defense: Pump illegal, so: Second Hand Mossberg 9200 Semi or Baikal Coach Gun? Pump Guns are illegal where I live so I have the following choice: For a CQB defense gun up to 10yds: - Baikal Coach Gun for EUR 390,- or - a hardly used Second hand Mossberg 9200 18" parkerized Semi Auto for EUR 490,- I intend to keep the gun loaded and ready for years. Thank you for your time and thought. PB __________________ Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war

October 1, 2006, 01:09 PM	#2
liliysdad Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2004 Posts: 1,145	You can have a semi auto, but no pump? Wow, simply wow. I would go with the 9200 no questions asked. However, Id hunt around for an 100 or 11-87 first.

October 1, 2006, 01:47 PM	#4
liliysdad Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2004 Posts: 1,145	In my experience, the 9200 is a very reliable gun. I prefer the Remingtons, based solely on personal preference. I would take the Mossberg over any Baikal product, but thats me.

October 1, 2006, 02:38 PM	#5
ITEOTWAWKI Junior member Join Date: September 22, 2006 Posts: 454	Couldn't you take the hunting plug out of the mossberg and get a few more rounds in there?

October 1, 2006, 04:10 PM	#7
ITEOTWAWKI Junior member Join Date: September 22, 2006 Posts: 454	Oh, well that's enough to get by...so how many rounds does it take to rob a bank that pumps are unacceptable?

October 1, 2006, 08:25 PM	#10
jfrey123 Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2006 Location: Reno, NV. Posts: 1,026	I second the side by side... Had problems with my Browning Auto-5 on Saturday out skeet shooting. It's something that has been corrected, but man it's a confidence killer when you pull the trigger and nothing happens. You should never have that problem with a side by side, and if you need more than two trigger pulls of buck shot, you're in really, really deep S.

October 1, 2006, 08:35 PM	#11
webbee Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2005 Posts: 218	I'd go with the 9200. Is it an "A" model? A's are heavier duty use. They were originally designed for the DEA as a "jungle gun" for use against the drug running insurgents in Columbia. I thing the FBI had some too. There were a lot of the plain 9200's made in many finishes and barrel configurations. All 9200 production has ceased at Mossberg. It's an excellent light autoloader that feeds about anything. The reason I choose an auto over the SxS is capacity. If you are facing multiple invaders, as in a home invasion, capacity is king. You will need to shoot whatever you buy. Practice is everything. Learn to clean often. A sitting weapon gathers dust and oil gels if left long enough. Not to mention the rust problem. Good luck with whatever you buy and great shooting.

October 2, 2006, 07:17 PM	#13
jrklaus Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 520	If you do choose a side-by-side, you may want to consider one without external hammers. Otherwise, I think I personally would vote for the semi-auto. Good luck whatever you choose!

October 4, 2006, 04:40 PM	#16
ITEOTWAWKI Junior member Join Date: September 22, 2006 Posts: 454	Nice choice! What it lacks in ammo capacity, it makes up for in class. Will surely be more of a great conversation peice than an auto as well.

October 4, 2006, 07:56 PM	#18
hehz0r Member Join Date: August 2, 2006 Location: IL Posts: 46	Are you going to add a recoil pad to that? I imagine it would be very uncomfortable without one.

October 5, 2006, 05:25 AM	#19
Para Bellum Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Location: right there Posts: 1,882	Recoil-Pad: Definately. It now has a hard-plastic-end. Maybe for use as a lethal weapon both ways round. __________________ Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war

October 5, 2006, 04:46 PM	#20
liliysdad Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2004 Posts: 1,145	I feel you made a poor choice. However, good luck, and make sure and practice with what you have. That is the biggest piece of the puzzle.

October 5, 2006, 04:55 PM	#21
smooks75 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2006 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 161	Para Bellum I have to agree with liliysdad. Practice, practice, practice. I have shot the 9200 and I would have bought that one but....Just shoot and have a great time! I have one and YES it does kick alot! Keep shooting!

October 5, 2006, 05:05 PM	#22
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Go for the semi auto. Two shotd may not be enough. __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

October 6, 2006, 08:42 PM	#24
bigghoss Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2006 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 2,664	I would go with the side by side since you want to leave it loaded all the time, that way you don't have to worry about spring fatuige. I don't even leave my moss 500 loaded for that reason. I keep my S&W 19 loaded instead. I would like to get a SXS also. can never be too prepared.

October 6, 2006, 09:19 PM	#25
liliysdad Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2004 Posts: 1,145	Spring fatigue is not caused by the extended compression of a spring, it is caused by the repeated cycling of said spring. In essence, you are fatiguing the spring far more by loading and unloading than you would by leaving it loaded.